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Are Any of These Related to Electrical?

11/11/2014 12:28 AM

A training course is providing me the following skills, are any of these related to the field of Electrical Engineering (which I want to do). I believe the below is related to Manufacturing, but I have some training in PLCs, its just that I am unsure what these fall under and if it is worth taking this training :

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Equipment Validation Protocols (IQ,OQ,PQ)

GAP Analysis and Remediation 21 CFR Part 11, Part 210, 211, 820,806, 803,7, ISO 13485,

GAMP 5

Statistical Process Control (SPC)

Kaizen and Continuous Process Improvements Root Cause Analysis (5-Why and Fish bone analysis)

Design of Experiments (DOE)

Risk Assessment PFMEA and DFMEA

Process Validation

Test Method Validation

Risk Assessments (pFMEA and dFMEA)

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11/11/2014 1:01 AM

If none of the titles include "electrical" it might not be relate to it, right?

But then there is your interest and you already should know.

Besides that there is engineering knowledge that is worthwhile having even so it is unrelated to a specific subject.

Are you seriously asking what the training is about? It's about your future!

If you have to pay for it you might want to pick something with the word "electrical" in it. If this training is chucked at you and you question the value, you are the wrong one to be trained in it.

DOE would pique my interest.

The rest is choice: YOURS!

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11/11/2014 5:35 PM

If you have to pay for it you might want to pick something with the word "electrical" in it. If this training is chucked at you and you question the value, you are the wrong one to be trained in it.

Its an offer. I just wanted to know if I plan to work with PLCs, HMI is any of that going to be valuable? I should know, but I don't and I am hoping you won't kill me for trying to know by asking.

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11/11/2014 8:30 PM

You should seek some personal help. Nothing here for you.

Just that: anything you know or learn to know will be valuable. Its like learning how to eat with fork and knive - its not electrical but helps you saving your face.

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11/11/2014 10:30 PM

But learning to eating with fork and knife isn't worth shifting places and accommodation. I would do this if its related to my field though

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11/12/2014 12:49 AM

By the time your learned how to eat with fork and knive you came out of your baby shoes into your junior environment. I think that was a big move.

Take it or leave it. It is not a live or dead question after all!

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11/20/2014 2:27 PM

No one is going to berate you for asking, I hope. Design of experiments will help you be a better troubleshooter. You will learn which variables can be changed to probe the effect you are working on.

Statistical Process Control you will need in any manufacturing programming automation environment, as that is how the game is played. Root Cause Analysis is part of that, or rather an extension of it, but using different statistics, and is a logical way to arrive at a proper decision about failures, and what to about them.

Anything that will make you think, and expand your vision outside "your own little well" is a great thing, for wisdom cries out in the market place, and is calling your name. By own little well - don't be like 90% of Americans who are as frogs in their own little well, and see out of it, and it becomes their whole world. Broaden your horizons, then you will know why you are doing your part, and why you like it.

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11/11/2014 2:14 AM

The titles suggest pharmaceutical manufacture, not electrical, Mildred.

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11/11/2014 3:36 AM

Still chuckling, what gave the pharmaceutical away?

If they are testing an "electric shock therapy" will this be electrical?

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11/11/2014 4:30 AM

I even think it is more software or instrumentation related.

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11/12/2014 9:19 AM

"<Here's a blunt statement of fact that you may or may not like>, Mildred."

Pardon me, I've seen you use that sentence structure sever times here, to where it now feels like a catch phrase.

Is there a particular significance to the name Mildred? Does it have any relation to your forum icon? I recognize it as being from a British 'cop show' or similar, but the exact series eludes me.

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11/11/2014 4:53 AM

Give up now! Don't leave the farm, you'll never make it in the big city because you can't Google.

If you could:

GAMP® 5: A Risk-Based Approach to Compliant GxP ... - ISPE

www.ispe.org/gamp...International Society for Pharmaceutical EngineeringGAMP® 5 provides pragmatic and practical industry guidance to achieve compliant computerized systems fit for intended use in an efficient and effective manner ..

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11/11/2014 5:38 PM

I did google it. I just wanted some opinions on what relates to "Manufacturing". I was told it has to do with Pharmaceutical and Biomedical. But if it has electronics (like in EEGs) or is related to PLCs, HMI which are used in manufacturing, I wanted to try it.

That is why I asked here. And asking me to give up, thanks that's very helpful!

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11/11/2014 3:57 PM

None of these titles seem to be limited to electrical work but many probably will be applicable to some electrical work.

From the titles it will be a WAG if any of these classes will be applicable to your work. Particularly because I am not you and do not know your background or job.

At the same time, it is good to occasionally stray out of your comfort zone. I would start with finding out what prerequisites each class expects a student to have. Knowing where the class starts can help these decisions.

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11/11/2014 5:42 PM

I am still learning basic things, so I don't want to stray out. So, keeping in mind that I want to do something related to Electrical, it's not worth it I guess.

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11/11/2014 8:31 PM

Basics is general, general is everything, everyhting is offered in this course.

Take it and dont look back!

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11/12/2014 6:52 AM

There was stime when PLC's were regarded as the preserve of the Instrument Engineer/ Technician. This is no longer so, and the Electrical Engineer is well advised to become familiar with this apparatus, even to the programming level.

Electrical designs incorporating plc's are quite common.

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11/11/2014 11:11 PM

When I was in high school, I took a typing class to get an easy class. At that time writing letters was dead. All any one did was phone. but, when computers invaded my world, my typing skills helped a lot. Life is funny like that. How many Wall Street brokers had to learn to use their hands when the market fell? What skills will you need in 10, 15, or 20 years? Just getting the basics of those classes under your belt will make you a more desirable employee. Any knowledge you get remains yours forever.

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11/12/2014 4:35 AM

as you mentioned that you have SOME knowledge in plc as you know that prior to design any logic you have an image in the mind which will consist of lot of things like input criteria (sensors,switches ,safety etc ) and how the logic sequence will work and what happen if i do this or how to prevent this.

i think your knowledge in Kaizen and Continuous Process Improvements Root Cause Analysis can help a bit to utilize you plc knowledge.

this forum is to share the knowledge ,and we all here like a team on equal basis to share .please avoid any conflict or the comments that hurts or can be cause to tease (speaking general )

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11/12/2014 5:11 AM

Oh looking back to my university studies (40 years ago), I had to learn many topics which included "Electrical" in their names - but soon lost total relevance to my practical engineering career. There was for instance "Electrical Machinery" taught for students of the "Communications Mainstream", Pretty much "useless" these days and "waste of time"! But 20 years later suddenly my lab had to "dive into" Brushless DC Motors and AC unit compressors - so my knowledge of "useless stuff" turned out to be "the thing" to know and understand!

Same applies to 5S courses or Process control, Basics of Evaluation / Verification, Risk Assessment / Test design. They will get very important later when you take over responsibilities which you can not imagine now. So it is really worthwhile to thing about the risk of every component which goes into a product to be manufactured - it can ruin your company when line failures or rejects happen. Or when the failure of a 40ct piece in a cable TV amplifier requires service calls by a ladder truck to locations 300 miles away from the next service point. So you better have your statistics right and think about "Preventive maintenance" and the cost of might be replacing the box when the truck comes along..

So not all looking useless now is really useless in the long run. And many "electrical" topics we had to digest like the "travelling wave tube RF amplifier" are more or less history now. "Modern" tube based TV Transmitters installed 1984 were scrapped in 2000 as the transmission technology has changed from analog to digital. But the basics still remained - and that is what you need to understand and "take home".

(And never forget - your teachers are might be a bit behind in what they are teaching! When you you start in the industry you are required to study continuously and read as much as you can, try new things. Most of what you study now will help you just over the next 3 to 5 years of your engineering carreer! )

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11/12/2014 10:20 AM

The more I read the replies on this forum the more discouraged I get. The people that seem to reply the most seem to spend their time berating what they feel is the stupidity of the original poster and not actually helping with a situation. When someone posts a question they are actually displaying ignorance. Never in my life have I been ashamed of ignorance. It simply means that someone has not had another person explain something to them yet. Ignorance is an opportunity to expand your knowledge base. That is what people are trying to do here.

I posted a question a few months back and was actually reticent to post it because I didn't want to hear the derisive comments that I was sure would flow from the usual suspects. I was shocked to see how quickly people responded to my post. Within five minutes after posting I was receiving replies. Some of them were helpful but some contained the usual "homework" and "interview" comments that degrade the intended purpose of this forum. These members that reply in the negative seem to post more of these kind of responses than actual helpful replies and it also seems that they are the ones that reply the fastest. Its as if they were waiting for a chance to shoot someone down instead of helping them up. There was a reply I saw in the last few days that stands out as a prime example of this. The person replying had posted over 550 "answers" to people's questions and only five of them had been categorized as good. If this is any indication, this person spends less than 1% of their time actually being helpful to other people.

I guess what I am trying to say is that if you can't offer some useful advise to the people that are trying to reduce their level of ignorance - not to be confused with stupidity, which just might be what the useless repliers are exhibiting - why waste your time and the time of everyone else.

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11/12/2014 11:10 AM

Yes all of them apply to Electrical Engineering.

Kaison one is for the Quality Control and Continuous Improvement and Analysis classes are for giving you tools to check your processes to make sure they will work. Same goes for Risk Assessment, to give you tools to plan your task and project any possible areas where things can go wrong. They teach you to put more thought into your projects.

Electrical Engineers deal with Control Panels, from concept to completion; they deal with the touch screens and photo eye sensors so they have to figure and create the programs to make them work properly so there is a lot that overlaps into electronics. They deal with controllers and encoders and such. Electrical guys do do a lot of computer programming for the Control Systems.

You're going to need to learn Visio or AutoCAD or Solidworks, some tool for box diagrams as well.

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11/12/2014 11:49 AM

I concur with Janissaries. Every single one of these topics is designed to help you understand your current state and find the most economical way to achive an improved state. I can't think of anything these topics do not apply to.

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11/12/2014 11:26 AM

Everyday is considered as a learning day as I've experienced! Any training specially if available for free should be accepted, learned well and taken advantage from! Since you'll never know when, nor realized the importance of any training that was received until it is actually needed! Who knows? your professional life may even be dependent on that!

In my opinion the flexibility of an individual to adjust and adapt is what counts, and will be more important, that will help one's success! Whether in manufacturing, mechanical, electrical, electronics, communications, etc. is not really the main criteria and should not be set as the limiting factor! As any of these can be related to any interest you may have at any given moment.. That's assuming you've learned, really have your head on your shoulder and can demonstrate the applications of any mastered trade!

The more important at this stage in your life IMHO, is to have a good understanding, develop the strong foundation on any particular chosen field, subject or expertise.. then concentrate on their actual physical and practical applications!

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11/12/2014 2:27 PM

Everyday is considered as a learning day as I've experienced! Any training specially if available for free should be accepted, learned well and taken advantage from!

The doubt comes due to comparing this with another course. They offer training in CCN/CCNA and Citrix. Now, given my basic learning background and what I want to do (PLCs, HMI, Electrical), would it be better to do the training I mentioned in the Original Post, or this one on Networking CCN/CCNA?

I am a newbie and wanted to know which technologies would be better to go into for skills in the future in their field.

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11/12/2014 5:31 PM

The certification on networking is good, both on the resume and for you if you do not have any background nor idea in that particular field of communications. But if you do not have any immediate needs nor work related applications, then it will be useless! It's only good as a resume decoration! Computer related technology is a fast evolving field that if you do not immediately put into practice what you just learned, you may definitely lose it! That whatever you may have learned or get certified now, may already be obsolete by the time of your need.

You need to asses yourself together with what your job presently demand. Decide what things that need to be supplemented. Ultimately it will be your decision based on that assessment!

Grab whatever opportunity that may come along, but stay focused and see to it that whatever it is will always be aligned to your chosen goal!

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11/12/2014 11:59 AM

I have actually done most of these courses at one time or another and found them to be usefull and have been on the courses with engineers too. They all help you think and understand analytical and risk based approaches to situations.

They are aimed and pharma or Bio but that doesnt stop the knowledge you would gain from being invaluable in any field.

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11/12/2014 2:36 PM

Btw, I want to thank ALL of you in helping me decide. Because I know many of you all are more experience, and I am sorry if my queries sound silly!

Is a CCN/CCNA certification a better option to go with first, or do the topics on the original post have more value to me in my field?

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11/12/2014 3:34 PM

CCN = Cisco Certified Network??

This sounds like something to put on a resume in order to get a job. It is specific to one skill set. The topics listed in your original post are skills that will help you in any job, any field, any discipline. If you need a job and some income now, get the certification. If you have a good employer, they will be sending you to training in the other stuff sooner or later...sooner is better.

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