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Is LHPU Legit?

03/13/2015 12:49 PM

I am a fresh graduate and don't have much experience in the field I am looking to develop a career in which is Controls Engineering. I got a call from some LHPU who said they offer training and then place you with 99% of their trainees landing a good job after the 6 weeks training.

The payments can be done in any one of the three ways:

1. Pay $500.00 to buy a seat, and pay $500.00 on the first day of the training with a remaining balance of $8,000.00 to be paid in monthly installments once course is completed and a job is secured.

2. Pay $500.00 to buy a seat and a remaining balance of $10,500.00 to be paid in monthly installments once course is completed and a job is secured.

3. Pay $200.00 to buy a seat and a remaining balance of $11,800.00 to be paid in monthly installments once course is completed and a job is secured.

I have to move from one state to another. I am ready to go all the way. And once I am earning (if this is legit) these payments won't be much of an issue.

The million dollar question though : Does this sound legit? They also mentioned that I don't have to make any payments if (in the very unlikely case) I don't land a job.

Help! It's an important decision.

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03/13/2015 1:35 PM

If it smells bad (and this does) it probably is bad

I would do a lot of research on this "LHPU" and get some independent references before making any commitments, and be sure to read very carefully any contract before you sign it.

Consider, neither MIT ,Stanford, nor any other university offer any guaranty of employment to their graduates.

I don't know where you are located, but here in the US there have been many scams by so called "technical schools" that promise everything, but leave the students with nothing but debt.

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03/13/2015 2:20 PM

What does LHPU mean? Near as I can tell it's just initials, with no real name.

A scam??????? Maybe.

$12,000.00 USD is a lot of money for a 6 week course.

They say:

We are The Controls Training Experts.

LHPU's mission is to increase the worldwide supply of highly qualified controls engineers. Our Fundamentals of Control Systems - Dieselcourse is an industry leading, hands-on controls training course. Graduates earn a "Certificate of Mastery" in Control Systems from SAE International and are equipped with the skills, confidence, and expertise to contribute as controls engineers their first day on the job.

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A "certificate of Mastery" is equivalent to a high school diploma????

The Certificate of Mastery (CIM) was created by report "America's Choice: High Skills or Low Wages". The CIM has been called an outcome-based education diploma as it would be either be necessary to receive or replace the high school diploma, and was characteristic of education reform legislation in many states such as Washington andOregon.

From:

Certificate of Initial Mastery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Will it get you a job? Probably not"
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What good is a 'Certificate of Mastery?' | Marketplace.org

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The only thing I can say for sure is if it really is located in Columbus Indiana, that is a beautiful town.

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03/13/2015 2:28 PM

"I am a fresh graduate". In what field?

What they are calling a "Controls Engineer", sounds an awful lot like a diesel mechanic. If that is what you are looking for, then maybe. It still reeks in my opinion.

If by "Controls Engineer" you mean industrial process controls, then you are much better off getting an entry level job at an industrial plant, where you will get real hands on training - and get paid for it. IMHO

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03/15/2015 2:59 PM

Agreed.

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03/13/2015 3:18 PM

I would recommend doing more research.

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03/13/2015 3:25 PM

It just gets worse!

The address of LHPU is:

1888 Poshard Drive
Columbus , Indiana 47203
United States

But, it's actually the home of:

TLS.NET, Inc. - Columbus, IN - Internet Service Provider ...

Here's their number, (812) 378-4100 why not call and see if Zachary Warrner really works there? He's VP of LHPU.

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03/14/2015 12:27 PM

Where are you getting this information from? Their site says the address is this :

305 Franklin St
Columbus, Indiana 47203

http://lhpu.com/contact-us/

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03/15/2015 5:14 AM

Google street view has a nice building with a large LHP sign on the facade across the road from a bank at that address.

The entity exists.

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03/15/2015 8:36 PM

Are you saying that it exists in the address I provided or another one?

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03/15/2015 11:57 PM

305 Franklin

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03/16/2015 12:17 AM

It may very well exist at the 305 address.

I was following the man, not LHPU.

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03/15/2015 8:51 PM

That's the LHP parent address and website below.

http://lhpsoftware.com/

LHPU (LHP University) is the training part of LHP as far as we can see and has a different website and physical address.

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03/16/2015 7:03 AM

Indeed it does! The thread is misnamed, and should read "Is SAE legit?"

the offered qualification is from SAE.....not from LHPU.

SAE INTERNATIONAL (cut and paste job from their site)

Following on from the success of SAE in Australia, the first foreign SAE campus was opened in London in 1985. As in Australia, in the international arena SAE proved to be highly successful in providing a quality, practical and theoretical curriculum to aspiring professionals in the music industry.

Not long after the London campus was opened, SAE established its first European institute in Munich. Munich was to be the first of many foreign language SAE Institutes worldwide.

SAE was well established in Europe, Asia and New Zealand by the mid-90s. The first of 7 campuses opened in the USA in 1998.

From our humble Sydney studio beginnings, SAE today spans the globe with 53 campuses in 27 countries. Beginning with Audio, SAE International has evolved over the years, and now also offers qualifications in other creative media disciplines - Animation, Design, Digital Journalism, Film, Games, and Web & Mobile.

All our courses follow the founding principles of SAE - high quality, industry-focused, practical and theoretical education options for creative and talented individuals.

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Smells like a fish-factory to me! Is a FRESH GRADUATE a species of fish sold by the lb, or caught by the dollar ?

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03/16/2015 7:58 AM

There are many SAE internationals. Which one you talking about?

This one?

If so, then that's INSTITUTE not INTERNATIONAL

Not sure how you got here from LHPU.....

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03/16/2015 9:12 AM

I went to LHPU site, where I found nothing specific , but was intrigued by the thread mention of SAE. So I looked up SAE, where the following is also to be found:

We are now accepting applications for our 2015 cohorts of "Fundamentals of Control Systems - Diesel" and "Fundamentals of Control Systems - Gasoline." . Doesn't quite satisfy my own curiosity (I work in the field of Automatic Control). Your comment implies that I may have missed something crucial...did I ?

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03/16/2015 3:12 PM

I found a link dated 2014, from SAE which spoke of their training too. It seems legit. Am I foolish to think it's proper and worth it?

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03/17/2015 1:05 AM

I think you might have . Nothing to do with rotating plant mate.

The SAE I know of is School of Audio Engineering. Nothing to do with automatic control, unless DMX sound and lighting automation is what you want.Started in Sydeny and now internationally instutionalised.....Not cheap either.

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03/17/2015 5:00 AM

Also found one based in South Africa, and aimed at the movie industry...... Seems to gel with the one you found in Sydney.

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03/18/2015 12:26 AM

Same Institution gone global....the founding mentor of the Sydney SAE saw a need....

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03/13/2015 3:34 PM

LHPU appears to be a part of LHP Software company specializing in embedded control software. Now it is not unusual for such companies to provide training for their customer's employees. However this looks like they are attempting to sell training in order to market technicians along with their product.

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03/13/2015 4:25 PM

I graduated in Electrical Engineering. Thanks for letting me know guys, I am not going forward with it.

This says its legit? : http://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/lhpu.com

They also have a Linkedin page? They ask for the US$ 11,800 in installments, after the job. Before this they take $ 200. I have been trying to search "LHPU scam", "LHPU hoax" but I can't be sure. I need to make a decision before next week.

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03/13/2015 6:26 PM

No you don't need to make a decision in the next week! If they are trying to force you to make a decision in the next week, this should be a big red flag. You decide on YOUR own time.

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03/13/2015 6:40 PM

This site leads here:

Choice One Communications : All reviews | DSLReports ...


I'm done here. I would NOT trust them!!!!

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03/14/2015 12:22 PM

Which site? The one I posted?

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03/13/2015 4:37 PM

Does your college/university have a job search/placement service? I'm sure the quality varies a lot amongst these services, but usually they're a good place to start. If nothing else, you might get access to some targeted job-search tools and to collateral resources like current articles on job search strategy and tactics. The college library and/or a decent-sized public library will have a lot of the same kinds of resources, too (had to get in a plug for libraries since I started out as a reference librarian way back when).

Another idea: check professional association websites, such as this one -http://www.ieeecss.org/. They'll often have info for job seekers.

Bottom line is that you've got a lot of paths to check out that won't cost you much more than some time. I'd stay away from this training place. Good luck!

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03/13/2015 4:43 PM

It is also mentioned here :

http://www.sae.org/servlets/pressRoom?OBJECT_TYPE=PressReleases&PAGE=showRelease&RELEASE_ID=2525

The reason I want to take a course like this is because I never did anything particular to Controls Engineering in my education and I wanted to here to start my career in the line. I know SAE is real. But is that SAE page real? It mentions LHPU.

What is the best way to know if this is a scam or not? I don't want to be paranoid and not lose this opportunity if its real. Money is not an issue per se. I just don't want to pay $ 200 and be left in a scam. The remaining amount is in installments after finding a job after the training, which over a span of 2 years or so isn't too much I think.

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03/13/2015 4:53 PM

Why not ask the course organizers if you could (1) talk to graduates to get their opinions (probably won't happen); (2) see their numbers -- how many who obtained a certificate got jobs in the field within x amount of time. You're perfectly entitled to ask this kind of question if you're going to give them $ and several weeks of your life.

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03/14/2015 8:10 AM

Allow me to jump on this like a tick on a butyric acid stimulus. Internetus Awesomibus has got to evolve away from steering, deflecting, and barring without killing the Golden Goose. ( that would just be mean, as well as dumb ) Let freedom ring !

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03/13/2015 9:40 PM

I don't know a thing about them but since it sounds like a scam but is not reported as a scam I'll take a wild guess.

My guess: The might have quite a few low paying jobs with lots of undesirable travel and roach motels. The job guarantee is probably written so you owe them if you get an offer. Since they are offering a job you basically are forced to pay them no matter what. Thus, if you don't get a good offer somewhere else you are forced to be their field service slave for a year or two. The training and "no job, no pay guarantee" might just be part of they way they fill jobs that no one wants.

Just a guess (warning). I don't know anything about them.

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03/14/2015 12:00 AM

Don't even waste your time thinking about it.

You would do better working as an electrician's labourer, get paid, learn something, gain confidence in yourself, meet other potential employers and have something in your CV that is worth more than that acronym you mentioned.

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03/14/2015 5:20 AM

As everyone here believes, its most likely a "legal" scam. If you signup, you will be made liable!!

You would need your own lawyer to read through all the paper work to find all the loopholes.

If you are any good in your new career, a good company will PAY YOU MORE!!!

No need for you to pay anyone.....think about it!!

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03/14/2015 9:31 AM

I'd read the fine print on that deal. Conceivably they could take your $200, give you training, hire you for a 2 week gig (triggering your remaining payment plan), then lay you off, and you'd be stuck. Of course, that wouldn't qualify as "landing a good job" but that would be for the lawyers to decide. If you can get verbiage in the contract that says "make payments only when actively working", it might be worth a shot. $200 then looks like a good buy. At least you'll get some training in Controls, and some of it will be transferable knowledge.

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03/14/2015 1:23 PM

If you graduated from a 'real' college, you do not need any more training before your first job offer.

Most engineering firms which support projects, hire and fire all the time.

Meaning, a project ends, they lay off people.

New project, hire people back or find new ones

You need to research companies doing this sort of work, my company in NJ is one such company,.

Did you send out 500 resume's yet?

http://enr.construction.com/toplists/top-design-firms/001-100.asp.

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03/14/2015 5:57 PM

Just off the top of my head

From a corporation's perspective $12K is not bad for a six week course, many seminar's and short courses run higher.

SAE does talk nicely about their training, and the costs are similar to buying your training direct from SAE http://mylearn.sae.org/stc/sae/psciis.dll?linkid=871262&mainmenu=SAE&top_frame=1

Many corporations are reluctant to spend this kind of money anymore. Most however will cover these kind of expenses under your education benefits.

This seems very specifically targeted at either gasoline or diesel closed loop control systems, and this specific software product.

If this is not the narrowed down career field you desire to work in this would be a poor investment.

Not my field so I won't comment further.

In MY field we hire electrical engineers who have a desire to specialize in Controls, bring them on-board, put them to work.

They can then sign up for either more specialized Bachelor's level classes to enhance their skills, or start working on their Masters.

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03/15/2015 3:02 PM

Your far better of trying for a job now and getting some work experience or paying for a proper recognised Control Engineer University or similar course, then perhaps paying a small amount of money to a recruitment agency to help with job placement.

My opinion, do both. Go and do a part time control course(s) at a University or similar and use a recruitment agency to help find you a part time job(s) to boost up your work experience. Then at the end you have the theoretical knowledge and some practical work experience that will help you get a job.

I would stay away from LHPU as would most others here on CR4. There are many alternatives.

I am a little confused, a close examination seems to indicate the courses are for Petrol and Diesel Auto Mechanics? But they vaguely mention other control (sort of).

What sort of Control Engineer do you want to be?

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03/19/2015 9:57 AM

What about shifting your focus, since you already have 4-year degree as a knowledge-base, take a different approach?

If you're having a tough go at landing your first, in-field-of-choice, job then what about acquiring evidence that shows competency with the tools of the trade? Much like an aspiring Draftsman would have a certificate of competency in AutoCAD or SolidWorks. Sure, it does not speak to their skill as a Draftsman, but it does attest to their ability to use the tool somewhat proficiently.

What about something akin to:

http://www.rockwellautomation.com/rockwellautomation/services/training/certificate.page?#/tab1

or

http://sitrain.automation.siemens.com/sitrainworld/Default.aspx

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03/25/2015 9:37 AM

Hello Jay,

I am Hareen and I am the the president of the LHPU Alumni Association. I have attended this training program in January, 2014. I am one among the 150 plus trainees since 2011 who have completed the training and landed in a job. I have pretty much read all the comments in this thread and I want to clear your doubts as a person who has taken this training. Yes,LHPU is legit! It is a division under LHP Software,Founded in 2001. (http://lhpsoftware.com/). Here is the link for LHPU website. (http://lhpu.com/). SAE- Society of Automotive Engineers- There are SAE clubs/chapters in many schools across USA and here is what they have to say. (http://www.sae.org/servlets/pressRoom?OBJECT_TYPE=PressReleases&PAGE=showRelease&RELEASE_ID=2525)

LHP Software Head Office Address: 1888 Poshard Dr Columbus Indiana

LHPU Address: 305 Franklin St Columbus Indiana (This is where the training takes place).

Coming to the training, it is a 6 week training program on fundamentals of controls systems. You will build a model as a team using different concepts that you learn during the training. The best part, you will use the model that you built and try to run a diesel/gasoline engine. You learn concepts, build them, simulate them and finally practically run an engine making it a Hands on Training. I can provide more information, if needed.

Post completion of this training, I have seen many students work as Controls, Calibration, OBD, Diagnostics, Integration, Release...etc., engineers, related to Automotive Industry. I, myself am working as a Controls Engineer.

Please feel to ask me any questions regarding the training program. I will try answer all your questions. If you want to talk to me, Let me know. I can even connect you to other people who have attended this program. I just want to make sure, you get the correct information!! :)

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