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Is Orange Juice as Bad for You as Soda?

Posted January 05, 2010 12:00 AM by Jaxy

As a good source of vitamin C and other nutrients, you would think that orange juice is significantly better for you than soda, which has seemingly no nutrients and tons of added sugar. However, some doctors are now suggesting that orange juice is no better for you than soda.

How Could Orange Juice Be Bad?

For starters, orange juice is higher in calories than soda for the same serving size and although it tends to be consumed in lesser quantities than soda, it still contains 112 calories per cup according to the Los Angeles Times (calorie content will vary with the brand). For comparison, Pepsi has 100 calories per cup and Coke has 97 calories per cup. But then you think wait, orange juice has more nutritional value than soda. That is true, but many of the vitamins and minerals in the fruit juice are not usually lacking in a typical American diet (with the exception of vitamin C).

The sugar content of fruit juice is also a problem. While 100% OJ is free of added sugar, half the calories are from fructose, which can be a burden on the metabolism in high amounts. Also, unlike the orange itself, its' juice contains no fiber, which is a major drawback for choosing the juice over the fruit.

A Study of Fructose

UC Davis scientist, Kimber Stanhope, stated that "studies suggest fructose, a type of sugar, would increase risk factors for cardiovascular disease and Type 2 diabetes equally whether it was consumed in soda or in juice." Overconsumption of either soda or 100% fruit juice could promote weight gain, which is a risk factor for both diabetes and heart disease. It is not known whether the "consumption of fructose from soda versus juice would have equal effects on other risk factors, such as increased blood triglyceride levels and decreased insulin sensitivity," said Stanhope.

There is Some Good News

While high in calories, citrus juices are more nutrient dense than other fruit juices and result in providing a high ratio of nutrients to calorie content. Analysis of a National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) from 1999-2002, suggests that 100% fruit juice intake was associated with higher intakes of whole fruit in children aged 2-11 years.

I would not suggest swapping out your morning orange juice for soda pop, but the high sugar and calorie content of 100% fruit juices is something to be concerned with if you are trying to lose weight. The benefits of drinking 100% fruit juice, especially during cold season, definitely outweigh the negatives. Besides being packed with vitamin C, it also contains folate and potassium, something that soda can never give you!

Resources:

Los Angeles Times – It's time fruit juice loses its wholesome image, some experts say

Los Angeles Times – Florida Department of Citrus seeds to 'educate' scientists about the value of orange juice

Fooducate – The Orange-Juice-is-Bad-as-Coke Debate Rages On

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01/07/2010 9:03 AM

Hi RCE,

I read your comments and I am surprised that you just not catch what is said. For your information without teaching: First, processing as you said and I agree on, is cooking. However, we don't put any chemicals for long-term conservation and flavours...

Just to reminder that cooking is good and processing as many industry does is adding synthetic products, Gil.

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01/07/2010 11:49 AM

You dont ad any spices, salt or other flavor enhancers to the food you eat? these would be chemicals.

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01/07/2010 1:33 PM

Sorry RCE,

I use every time I cook some corriander, turmeric, paprika, basil, curry, and salt only with soya sauce without additives.

Believe me, it taste better than in many restaurant's meals.

Orange juice is taken only the morning with my vitamins, Gil.

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coriander, tumeric, paprika, etc. themselves are additives. The huge number of complex organic compounds in each just have not been fully identified yet (well except salt which is mostly a single inorganic compound comprised of dehydrated solution of hydrochloric acid in sodium hydroxide, with some impurities obviously since it is only for food applications and not exacting chemical research).

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01/06/2010 5:35 PM

Hi Phoenix,

The little difference between fructose and glucose is in the names and the glycemic index (GI) of each sugar are different, the opposite, the first is 20 and the refined sugar is 100. One ask pancreas to work hard to reduce sugar level in the blood and the other, fructose does just a little excitement.

If need some explanation, try the following: eat 500 grams of any berries and appreciate your digestion. The next day or few hours later, absorb 500 grams of bananas, just the eatable part, and let me know the difference of your digestive system's operation. Scientists, and I don't consider myself one of them, created different names for different sugars, mono-and-disaccharides with or without aldehyde groups, polysaccharides, and I include DNA and RNA. We have names as glucose, maltose, dextrose, and maltodextrose, fructose, plus the natural blend of few, and others. Also, we have raw carrot with one form of sugar with low GI but when cooked or heated, the new sugar, through transformation is high GI. I only eat raw carrots, and I don't touch regular potatoes for over 20 years. One of the leader of the obesity participants is potatoes in french fies, mushed and other forms. It's easy to produce and cost less than other veggies and fill stomach more.

Colombus and people with him have dental problems because scurvy or lack of vitamin C but Indians have problems with potatoes as veggy.

Just a note from, Gil.

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Actually DNA is not exactly a sugar, since sugar bases (monosaccharides) are fully saturated with either hodroxyl groups much like ribose, glucose or galactose, or are hoxidized at the C2 position to form a keto group there like fructose and sorbose. The sugar ribose forms a base on which DNA is constructed by replacements with a nucleic acid for one of the hydroxyl groups at the C1 position and phosporylation at the C5 end to form a nucleotide polymeric unit. This process pretty much locks the ribose into a cyclic ring structure.

One of the interesting things about the sugars is the abilities of the mono-saccharide units to form chain structureas and ring structures in solutions concurrently. And the differences in the mono-saccharide units are mostly due to chirality along the carbon backbone, the single reduction/oxidation of the active group at the C2, and to a lesser degree the number of carbon units in the chain (the vast majority of monosaccharides found in nature tend to be 6 carbon chains, with most poly saccharides based on such). The slight changes such as a right versus left handed chirality can make a sugar digestable versus undigestible, e.g. starch versus cellulose or galactose versus glucose. Things such as heat, weak acidity/base, some inorganic and organic compounds, even in relatively weak concentrations can cause sugars to change forms.

FYI sucrose, table sugar, is a disaccharide polymer of glucose (blood sugar) and fructose that forms those mono-saccharides when hydrolyzed (our bodies hydrolyze table sugar to form fructose and glucose). Starch tends to be a long chain primarily comprised of glucose monomers. Carrots and potatoes both have substantial amounts of starch as do most roots and tubers of these types, as this is the energy storage utilized by plants. Honey is a mixture of sucrose, glucose and fructose that is disproportionate in the concentration of mono-saccharides to disaccharides due to enzymes from the bees.

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01/06/2010 6:31 PM

Actually DNA is not exactly a sugar, since sugar bases (monosaccharides) are fully saturated with either hodroxyl groups much like ribose, glucose or galactose, or are hoxidized at the C2 position to form a keto group there like fructose and sorbose. The sugar ribose forms a base on which DNA is constructed by replacements with a nucleic acid for one of the hydroxyl groups at the C1 position and phosporylation at the C5 end to form a nucleotide polymeric unit. This process pretty much locks the ribose into a cyclic ring structure.

ah....yeah

This is a stretch for me, Wasn't artificial sweeteners derive from amino acids? And that may have been where Gil made the conection?

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You mean artificial sweetener like aspartame, which is derive by esterification of aspartic acid, as i recall? This would not comprise any type of sugar, but rather a non-saccharide sugar substitute. This could make you wonder however, about what would happen if a person substantially replaced as much sugar as they could in their diet with a single amino acid species compound. Could that level of exposure to concentrations of something like aspartic acid eventually lead to a biochemical inbalance?

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You mean artificial sweetener like aspartame, which is derive by esterification of aspartic acid, as i recall?

Thats it, and if I remember right....it was by accident.

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01/07/2010 12:19 PM

Hi RCE,

It's me again! I have another question concerning sweeth drinks and other additions of chemicals as sugar and sweeteners. Why we use them?

I only drink boiled tap water, most of the time with a squeeze of lemon, espresso and green or jasmine tea. Never use sugar or sweeteners to change the taste. Oh, I don't drink coffee at all, just espresso.

When you see the chemical formula of aspartame, you want to ask the question what's happening when this molecule is in our body? The formula of our DNA is more easier to digest with less atoms!

See you later, Gil.

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Sorry this comment makes no sense. But I will try to clarify a few fallicies you seem to have, which are common to many not educated in biochemistry. Aspartic Acid is one of the amino acid building blocks, it is a necessary compounds for the synthesis of proteins as all proteins (enzymes, hemoglobin etc. are all proteins) are just long chanin amino acid polymers. However, my previous question actually involved the imbalance of having one amino acid in excess. Second, even boiled water is a chemical which you are adding to your body, and actually water is a highly reactive chemical and a solvent. And apparently you add tea, lemon and other complicated chemical "cocktail" comprised of numerous complex chemicals compounds which are not fully defined (and highly variable based on plant, season, region, soils, and nutrients available to the plants) to your water and feel that is safer then adding one well defined chemical that is necessary for you to live (yes without some sugar in your body you die, but you could definitely survive without many of the complex organic chemicals found in green tea in your body). You do realize we use plants to bioaccumulate heavy metals when we remediate contaminated site, they are extremely good are extracting and concentrating things like mercury, lead, uranium, etc...

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Hi RCE,

Probably your understanding of many things are not clear, not clear only for you.

I don't have and I don't want any in biochemistry and this is not a fallacy.

I respect Monsanto, buy during the last 50 years many valueable compounds from them but aspartame, no thanks. In a small molecule as NaCl, I can accept Cl but when is present in a complex organic molecule, no thanks. I prefer to take cyclamate because I like and use sulfamic acid at place of muriatic to clean concrete before painting.

My boiled tap water, specified tap water, is not very reactive but accept as a solvent for many chemicals. And, with a squeeze of lemon I don't conceder as a "cocktail", like you said. Also, I don't add tea, I just drink tea, green or jasmine as you specified again with "not fully defined" chemical compounds. I take tea as is with on hot water, without anything in as specified but you missed.

Sorry RCE, I cannot realize the good or bad effects of plants (these are manufactures or natural plantes?) that bioaccumulated many heavy metals as you mentionned. I don't drink this kinds of cocktails, I prefer to squeeze an orange every morning, it's a better cocktail of vitamin C, potassium, and other things. Use it RCE, they are harmless, Gil.

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01/07/2010 11:47 AM

Hello Phoenix911,

You are right but we have to accept the fact that DNA is a natural polymers of sugars. Everything in plural! Oh, the formula is C-5 H-10 O-4, which is very close to C-n H-2n O-n and glucose is C-6 H-12 O-6 without going too deeply on formulation.

Continue to add some positive and scientific pitches. I am learning from you and others. Thanks to all and in particularly to you, Gil.

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01/06/2010 9:30 AM

I just finished drinking my daily 10 oz bottle of Minute Maid orange juice while sitting at my desk. The bottle states that it has 140 calories, 0 fat, 20mg of sodium, 550mg of potassium, 33g of carb with 30 of those from sugars. The ingredients state that it contains pure filtered water, premium concentrated orange juice, vitamin C. The thing that I don't understand is that it also states that it contains orange juice contrentrate from the USA, Brazil, and Costa Rica. Why is that necessary to know where the oranges come from? I stopped drinking soda a long time ago due to weight gain and stick with coffee and orange juice in the morning. I have lost weight from doing so and orange juice does not make me feel heavy and sluggish like soda does. I will keep drinking it and I haven't gotten a cold or the flu since drinking it every day while my kids bring home all kinds of illnesses from school. I am a firm believer in drinking orange juice and the benefits outweigh the negatives by far as long as we can trust the manufacturers of it.

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01/06/2010 9:39 AM

The solution is simple. Mix unsweetened orange juice with stevia and metamucil. Follow with a shot of pepto bismol and you have the perfect drink...

Come on people. give us some credit for a little common sense here...

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Happy New Year Keywalker,

I like your recommendation of unsweetened or squeezed orange juice with stevia (fructose or probably is) and metamucil can also go with but I cannot digest the shot of "Pepto Bismol". You cannot digest your orange juice.

First, empty stomach contains acid to digest food we absorb. Orange by itself is acidic and vitamin C is ascorbic acid, so we add small amount of acid to our body. Excess of acid helps digestion! I have around 18 kg in a box because I take every morning 18 grams, I buy cristals. With so much I never have digestion problem or other stomach troubles.

I never take any pills, Aspirin or Tylanol. I don't give the permission to the doctor at yearly visit to touch me. I am Canadian and the visit costs me nothing but the doc is paid by the government. She was revolted the first three years about my lack of confidence about medicin and the practitioners, but now, she take 4 grams of vitamin C every morning. It's a change! The first time I told her what I do, she told me that I waste 17.5 grams of vitamin. She was not believer that Pauling was a smart and helping man but today, her opinion is changed. Good for her!!!

Keywalker, you may have some digestion problems? Do Pepto Bismol really helps and necessary? Let me know, please. I am impatient to hear some facts about it, Gil.

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Actually at the pH of your stomach acid, the organic acids such as citric acid and acorbic acid would buffer the acidity towards a higher pH, requiring you to generate a greater volume of acid to overcome the buffering (neutralizing) effect of the weaker organic acids.

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don't try to make it so simple......everyone knows there really isn't no real effective fiber in metamucil.

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01/06/2010 10:07 AM

If you're a diabetic, orange juice and soft drinks are equally as bad for your sugar level.

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Happy New Year Jaxy,

Give me a break! Doctors accuse natural orange juice has to high level of calories and fructose. They need to check the glycemic index of fructose against glucose. They need to remember Newburg and Johnston calory theories in the 1930s and the second document from the same wwhich was forgotten. This calory theory cannot apply to orange juice we drink once every morning. When we start the day, we need calories to do things, to move and without calories we cannot achieve those activities. Probably they, doctors want we become sick and ask for their help and help is remuneration is revenue. We have to understand that in North-America we cannot say that one natural thing is good for improving health. Bistoury, pills, and this is no good for you the ideology of modern medicine. Howver, the population became obese by telling us that this is no good for you, too much calories here, and be reasonable when you do something, including eating. At the opposite side, fast food industry became dominant by nurishing more and more bigger people. They don't told the governements or other authorities to stop to feed people with those hamburgers and other prepared meals with huge amounts of sugar and salt, plus other chemicals to maintain fresh for the eyes and tast good to ask for a second plate. Sorry!

We normally need 1200 to 2000 calories per day. One orange juice gives us 112. What's the problem? We need 1088 to 1888 calories more, isn't it? One positive for orange juice is that we get more "nutritional value" than. I agree of lack of fibres, so eat oranges and close juice makers. It will be less expensive to compensate lost jobs in this industry than paying for sickness as diabetes, strokes, and other related to malnutrition.

I would like to know why fructose is a bad sugar? Its glycemic index is 20 and everything under 50 (refined sugar or glucose is 100) is excellent for human.

Thanks for good words: "100% fruit juice, especially during cold season", it contain vitamin C, folate, and potassium, and all these "outweigh the negatives. Where are the negatives. Tell us, please!

Ah, they say like me. Someone tells us something is good, somebody else says this is bag, or the reverse.

I would like to know doctors opinions about milk, which is, after them and the legal advertising saying, it's Calcium supplier.

Another question. Finnish people are drinking the most milk per person on the surface of the Earth. Also, the finnish people are the most deficient of Calcium. How come? Because certain study demonstrated that milk is the best solvent of Calcium in our bones. Placebo and milk was drinked by people. Their Calcium level in their bones was measured before and after the test. People drinking milk lost Calcium, high level of Calcium, from their bones. Placebo drinker kept the same level. How come?

We have to remember, the US sent to Africa milk powder after WWII because the famine killed people. Few months later of the milk powder reception, people started to die more rapidly than before. Us stopped milk powder distribution for ever to stop the killing of inocent people. We have to know that around 75% of human population is lactic intolerant.

It was interesting to release the bubble! Thanks for the studies and conclusions. My voice will be not heard. It's not a problem. However, we continue to grow by pounds or kilos but it's not important, business is business.

This is not my fault! Someone else told me to get my food there, eat it rapidly, and drink my double-double as fast as possible to get the place for someone else. Again, business is business!

I continue to take my daily dose of vitamines and minerals as told by "Lynus Pauling", and I try to reach the same age as he did, Gil.

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What doctors? It was one quack scientist and her research seems to be all based on correlations not facts.

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Hi bakerjohn,

One thing I don't see in 105 or more notes: a doctor's revolution about all comments we said here. When competent and knowledgeable people reorient us to the right track, I am believer that they agree with us or they don't have more than we have about the subject.

During months I suggest waterbourne paints, stains, and varnish for do-it-yourselfers, many people insult me and recommend solvent containing house paints. Or, suggestion about squeezing an orange is better than most orange juice from the store shelves, containing additives for this and that, like in-can preservative because they use. Let me find the word! Ah, spring water, that's right, which contains organic compounds and can turn bad, which shorten the life of the juice. And for the manufacturer is a good protection too!

I don't know about facts but there are not to many. We just discover them after our actions and we are surprised of the results because someone told us; If you do that way this will happen! And you are surprised because the prediction is still somewhere else.

Anyway, outside is -20*C and snowing time to time, my business with the construction is dead for the moment, I have time to read and answer. All the best, Gil.

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The real reason milk is not a good source of calcium is that, as a food, it's calcium is negated by it's protein content. Protein, when broken down, has acidic by-products. The body uses calcium to "buffer" or neutralize these acids. There is not enough calcium in milk to neutralize the by-products produced by it's breakdown in the body -- thus it is considered to actually create a calcium deficit in the body. If there isn't enough in the diet, then it is taken from bones and teeth for this use... also defined as osteoporosis. For a starter link try: http://www.freedomyou.com/nutrition_book/Milk%20and%20Cookies.htm

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Hi Guest,

Only after my miniature knowledge, human body produce acid to be able to digest food we put in our stomach. When we put some acid in excess in our stomach, the enzymes stop to produce acid to maintain at or around the same level all the time, at a pH between, let say 3 and 4. If you want you can check the official pH level of human stomach. Let me know, please. You buffering affer doesn't do nothing! Go to wikipedia.org and ask for stomach. I never was there but as soon as I finish with you, I go and check it. Can I do it? Thanks from Gil.

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I made a blood sugar level statement based on being a diabetic and testing my sugar level after drinking both when I had low levels. I made no statement about anything else. Most recommendations as to how to deal with wery low blood sugar is to drink 3 or 4 ounces of orange juice. I would always choose to drink it instead of sugared soft drinks if you think I considered them equal in all respects. In case you're wondering, I don't drink either.

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Hi,

Finnish people have Ca-deficiency because lack of vitamin D3,

same as some black people on an island in one of the big African lakes: abundant Calcium intake but poor bone situation.

Have a look to Vieth, working on D3 at university of Toronto.

Especially in winter anybody will need much more D3 than officially acknowledged.

I am taking between 2000 IU in summer (when I get ample sun) and 4000IU in winter.

Some others told me that 5000 is a minimum to have sufficient!

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UC Davis scientist, Kimber Stanhope, stated that "studies suggest fructose, a type of sugar, would increase risk factors for cardiovascular disease

I wonder if that had anything to do with one of the OJ bottler's advertisment campiagn that drinking OJ would help reduce heart attacks. (the ad went on to say that for every carton of OJ you buy, they would donate to the American Heart Foundation)

Its interesting on a personal experience,

I would go on OJ binges, where I would actually thrist for it. And it never quite quenched my thirst.

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Happy New Year Phoenix911,

Who is right? Stanhope or the OJ producer? The well diplomed scientific who is looking for glory or the business people who want money?

Phoenix, please, squeeze an orange and drink it! Don't buy any, just squeeze them! It's better for your health and cost less. Cheese, I talk money again, Gil.

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Fresh sqeesed, love it......and the price is going to hit a high with the weather in Florida

and a Happy New Year to you also....

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01/06/2010 10:56 AM

Orange Juice -> Sugar/Fructose

Pop -> High Fructose Corn Syrup

Unless you're buying some really crappy OJ with HFCS, how can you say it's as bad as pop?

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01/06/2010 2:05 PM

Happy New Year Merph,

Do you talk about Stanhope? I think so! Did you like the study and its important consequences?

Never mix sugar and fructose, they are in different part of the index limits.

Also, eliminate from your diet corn syrop and its derivatives. It's bag for your humor and your pancreas.

All the best for 2010 and squeeze and orange every morning to maintain your smile, Gil.

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01/06/2010 8:00 PM

Fructose is sugar. So all you are really saying is orange juice with fructose (a type of sugar), soda with diluted from concentrate fructose (again same type of sugar). The source, corn or oranges, is irrelevent when we are talking about the fructose itself. Bear in mind that oranges contain a ratio of about 50% of the total sugar content in the form of fructose. High Fructose Corn Syrup used in induistry tends to HFCS-42 or HFCS-55, so we are talking about 42% to 55% fructose content, and the remaining percentage of HFCS is glucose and other mono- and di-saccharides like sucrose (table sugar). The reason for calling it high fructose corn syrup has nothing to do with the content of fructose being particularly higher than other source, but rather that it is a higher than usual content derived from pure corn glucose. So HFCS is just a much higher relative fructose to sugar concentration level than would be normal for a corn syrup product, but is actaully consistent for the levels you would find in fruits. So from the perspective of the fructose/sugar part HFCS is pretty much the same as that for oranges, apples, and other sweet fruits.

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01/06/2010 10:59 AM

Did you actual read the article? Her study and conclusions are some of the biggest lumps of scientific garbage. It's all based on correlations not scientific facts. Besides this is a news article not even her actual study from a journal. It's obvious your a journalist not a scientist.

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01/06/2010 11:54 AM

Did you actual read the article? Her study and conclusions are some of the biggest lumps of scientific garbage. It's all based on correlations not scientific facts.

Believe it or not, yes I did. I presume you are directly referring to the UC Davis Scientist, Kimber Stanhope, because all you said was 'her'. You are right, her study is based on correlations, which is precisely why in her statement she states "studies suggest" and not "The fact is". The English language has led you astray. Scientific facts are often derived from correlations and while I am not saying that they were facts at all, they may later be found as true. I am curious as to whether you read her whole study or if you are just being judgmental? She was not stating facts and I was not presenting the information as fact, just as correlations.

Besides this is a news article not even her actual study from a journal.

You are so right. Believe it or not, her study was not the main focal point of my blog. It was just a representation of ONE singular study that I thought would add another perspective and more information to a relevant topic of the sugar content in OJ and soda. The news articles I used were not primarily using her study as a basis for their conclusions, either.

It's obvious your a journalist not a scientist.

I see that you have made very incorrect correlations in your own study of my blog. Next time you pass judgments, get your facts straight: I am an engineer. I add a nice warning, next time you comment in someones blog and make 'obvious' statements about said person, prepare to make an enemy. No one wants to be judged, especially when you are wrong about said judgment.

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01/06/2010 12:22 PM

I thought these blog where supposed to be based on some facts from trusted sources. It looks like you are basing your blog and "facts" on two newspaper articles and another blog. The first article pretty much tells you that the article is based on junk science. There are way to many variables it seems she never looked at to come up with her concussions (i.e. activity of children, how does it affect adults, metabolism of individual, etc.) plus the numbers of subjects are way to small. My six year old is a diabetic so I know a lot about the sugar content in all the food my family eats. We drink "sugar free" juices or fresh squeeze with the pulp. We consume a lot of fruits and vegetables. I doubt that I have gained one oz from drinking orange juice even the high-test stuff. My weight goes up or down mainly because of my activity level. Thats what should be being addressed not drinking fruit juices verses soda. I say again junk science.

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01/06/2010 12:43 PM

I was providing two different sides to the story. I never said the studies are fact and I never said that they were fiction. I presented information and neither endorsed the studies behind it nor disregard it. I used a wide range of sources for my information to create a well-rounded (aka opinions from both sides of the fence) blog entry for discussion amongst the CR4 community. What you are saying is all a matter of opinion. Something which you are very much entitled to, but doesn't warrant bashing the whole blog entry when it wasn't focused on that one study.

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01/06/2010 2:36 PM

Hi Jaxy and have a Happy New Year,

Everybody, including myself, we are out of realities. We have to tell Stanehope all these things with clear explanation that it will never get repeated. However, everyone on the blog recognizes that she is incompetent and work only for humor.

I am laughing from the first sentence to the last letter of the article coming from somewhere, which is not important. The only thing is important that we all catched that she is muffle and yob but we can do nothing because she had the chance to put on paper what she concider a Nobel prize-winning paper. I am sure she is waiting for the nomination!

Me and I wish you to, squeeze at least one big orange every morning to get 112 calories or more, Gil.

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01/06/2010 1:06 PM

John,

This is actual also a forum for discussion.

btw, what does CPESC, CPSWQ, CHMM on your tag line mean?

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01/06/2010 12:30 PM

I agree with being judged unfairly.

I think the poster's real frustration comes from the culture and world we live in. Science (and science fiction) permeate everything in our current times. When a "scientist" says, "studies suggest" it tends to evoke the same response as "studies have shown" because we live in such a knee-jerk world. Science gets most things right, doesn't it?? Depends on what year your researching the "facts". "Scientific opinion" has flip-flopped over the years on more than a few subjects. Then there is the influence of money on the whole truth-seeking process. Scientific studies would never be distorted or skewed to a "desired" outcome, would they?

But don't let any of this keep you from selecting articles, such as this one, for discussion in the community. It's sort of like "peer review" of these articles by other intelligent, educated, technology savvy folks. I don't recall that you commented on it. You only offered it up for discussion/opinion. I hope participants will realize this and try to refrain from thinking you have endorsed, or agree with, articles you post.

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01/06/2010 4:18 PM

However, you might consider that at a rudimentary level you touch on what really qualifies as science and the scientific method. When you discuss it with most laymen they perceive science and the scientific method as that which is consistent with the truly core sciences of physics or chemistry. However, they also assume that all these other "sciences" utilize the same vigorous methods and standards, which is substantially untrue. Many people used to believe in the near infallibility of science, based in great part on the post WW-II prevalence of physics/chemistry and related research and advances. However, since the 1970s you have seen a rise in other fields of "science" which do not set the bar to the same standard and have a great deal of supposition without substantiation through such fields entirety. Therefore, the term scientific theory, scientific opinion and pure speculation differs greatly in meaning depending on the field. Pure speculation in physics terms will frequently qualify as scientific theory in archeological, sociological or even biological terms. This ambiguity in the use and application of the term scientific can create many public misinterpretations and misunderstandings in general.

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01/07/2010 2:24 AM

I remember 2 lines I read somewhere, saying something to this effect:

"Be careful about health books, you may die of a misprint", and,

"95% of statistics are made up, including this one."

when a person with plenty of suffixes writes something, people will tend to accept it as Gospel truth. my personal experience about food is that as one ages, and one is able to "listen" to his body, one can sense good or bad effects about certain foods.

therefore, as a rule, those food that give good effects, keep in your diet. those that do not, avoid.

most of all, before taking any food, thank God for it and pray for God's blessings on it. it'll become good for you.

happy new year, all!

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01/06/2010 2:20 PM

Happy New Year John,

You talk about the 112, 100, and 97 calories? These numbers are facts. Please, don't insult a heavily diplomed - I hope it's true - and well respected scientific person who would like to find her name with some Nobel prize-winners. The "hick or hoops" is that she doesn't understand the function of a 100 and a 20 on the "glycemic index" scale. I am not very sensitive about the number of calories she mentions for each of her mixtures without any name or brand name, so we cannot understand what she is talking about. But, the article is there and she is enjoying all handshakes and other accomodations supplied to a genious.

Imagine when she will pass in the new terrorist detector! The machine will put in capital letters, we have 555 calories and the machine start to overheat! Help!!!

All the best and don't miss a day to squeeze an orange every morning, Gil.

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01/06/2010 4:26 PM

Plus I am not sure about the specific caloric values being fact. I am not confident that every sample of orange juice that could be collected would be 112 calories, afterall the mixture is not as closely controlled or simple as say Pepsi. Could it possibly 110 or maybe even 100 sometimes, depending on processing methods, the mix design, the season, the fruit sources, the region, etc.

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01/08/2010 11:28 AM

Happy New Year Bakerjohn,

You are exact on the definition of the article. However, to get somewhere, talked, having some addittions to the subject, criticized, and eventually accepted by someone for reality, the creator can be in higher position at work, or get a better, more remunerating job because of the paper.

Why we have soo many people get B of management and/or marketing? The money is better than you start to work in a lab or control the quality of certain products or items! People want to succeed and this one way to arrive to the desired point or situation. When you have the connection to write an article, you can do, and many people don't miss this opportunity.

Look around, we have, within a week, close to 100 comments on the subject and certains are totally deviated from the subject.

Liberty is an inconvenience sometime but continue, Gil.

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01/06/2010 10:56 PM

Everything is bad for you if you over indulge. Orange Juice is acidic and to much will case problems. I have even heard some Dentists state that people should wait approximently one half hour before brushing their teeth after consumtion of Orange Juice, Lemonade, Limeade and other citrus based Juices.

There are brands out there that are less processed and more pure than others. Still contain the fiber and pulp. Look for these brands, they may cost alittle more, but are closer to home squeezed. Of course you can squeeze your own, or consume the fruit.

In college, I studied Biology and Chemistry, including Bio & Clinical Chemistries. But it has been a long time for me to work with sugars, but I do remember that the natural occuring sugars in fruit were monositic and that it took almost the same energy to breakdown the chains as the usable energy that was gained by consumtion.

However I have a daughter that is an N.MD and she recommended that I did not drink coffee and orange juice together because the combination of chemicals that are in coffee the orange juice can combine to produce a carcinogen.

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01/08/2010 7:27 PM

If only Bing Crosby could see this now, he's shaking his head.

I just can't get enough of that Minute Maid.

The power of Minute Maid orange juice.

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07/29/2011 12:44 PM

Orange juice and vegetable juice also good for health

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07/29/2011 1:05 PM

vegetable juice is good for child health

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