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New Bill Aims to Place Competition Vehicles Out of EPA’s Reach

Posted March 14, 2016 10:30 AM by dstrohl
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Claiming that the Environmental Protection Agency's pending race car ruling poses a restriction on personal freedom, four Congressmen this week introduced a bill intended to thwart the EPA's oversight on competition vehicles by specifically excluding them from the Clean Air Act.

House Resolution 4715, also known as the Recognizing the Protection of Motorsports Act of 2016, specifically aims to remove race cars from the Clean Air Act's definition of "motor vehicle" and to exclude "any vehicle used solely for competition" from the Clean Air Act's anti-tampering provision.

Should motorsports be exempt from the Clean Air Act?

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03/14/2016 12:21 PM

I think this is a good plan if it goes through.

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03/14/2016 4:44 PM

First, I thought racing was intended to be a development ground for mass produced automobiles.

If Ford wins a race on Sunday, they sell more cars on Monday.

Granted, today's racecars bear little resemblance to what comes off the assembly line, but still............................................

More importantly, we've all seen many well meaning laws that were totally perverted by inadvertent or purposeful loopholes.

"Hey, I race my Corvette on the weekends, so it's a race car that I just happen to drive to work" kinds of loopholes.

Maybe, if limited to the highest levels, prototypes and the like, this would work.

This will not produce a more level playing field.

Nascar engines all produce around 800 HP now. Why do they need an exemption? They constantly push the rule book to the max already.

Formula one 1,000 and 1/4 mile dragsters 5,000.

Just sayin'.

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03/14/2016 11:37 PM

These restrictions should be for car manufacturers that sell over say 1000 vehicles a year....custom modification should be exempt...that doesn't say that police enforcement cannot charge somebody with obnoxious behavior be it a radio or exhaust that's too loud or an excessively smoking vehicle, or reckless driving...Trying to make everybody criminals will not stop the behavior, it will just put a lot of people on the wrong side of the law, and have we not had enough of that already?...as if the police don't have enough to do already....this is a liberal agenda that is running out of control...

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03/15/2016 12:22 AM

You must live in a different world.

Police don't bother with a "radio or exhaust that's too loud or an excessively smoking vehicle".

Maybe that's just in Arizona, where, every year, or two, we have to pay too much to have a "technician" to plug a cable into an ODBII port that I see a problem.

I don't see a problem with the status quo, either.

I can live with your 1,000 vehicle/year rule.

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03/15/2016 8:51 AM

Gasoline engine is okay. Are there diesel fueled car on the race tracks? or may be 2 stroke engines.? May be?

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03/15/2016 10:36 AM

Allow me to provide a counterpoint argument:

"Why are we 'protecting' motorsports in the first place? It's just a bunch of people driving too fast for conditions, and only knowing how to turn left. Besides, how much CO2 does the Indy 500 dump into the air? Not counting all the people who drove there and will drive home afterwards, just the CO2 from the racecars themselves? If we banned NASCAR, could we use the carbon offset to relax emissions standards for regular cars, or for power plants? Conversely, if NASCAR gets to pollute all they want for their races, will that mean that everyone else will have to pay for it, by having to comply with stricter, more expensive emissions standards on regular cars?"

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03/15/2016 12:08 PM

"Carbon emission? You said?"

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03/15/2016 1:04 PM

I think the target here, if memory serves with regard to the EPA's original intent, was to shut down the aftermarket industry by prohibiting owners of their cars from making any modifications to the motor, exhaust, or fuel system.

These are the dual-use vehicles that people would drive to the track and race.

I don't think it impacts race cars purchased directly from a manufacture that are dedicated to the track (not legal for road use).

However, I think race shops that convert road cars for race use would also be prohibited.

In my opinion the EPA is just being a drama queen here. I think there are better means to insure that road cars comply with emission standards without taking everyone's balls and jacks away.

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03/15/2016 1:13 PM

Sure, they can just follow the lead of Volkswagen and rig every vehicle to cheat.

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03/15/2016 2:04 PM

Perhaps I simply lack insight as to WHY NASCAR is so popular. It started as an informal competition between rum-runners to see who has the faster car (and since speed is an asset when outrunning cops, that challenge made sense at the time). But why do we hang on to the 'sport' so dearly, treating the racers like rock stars? (Granted, I think one of them *IS* related to Tom Petty, but I digress.) For a Northerner like me, the whole stock car racing thing seems like the remnants of a 'cult of car worship,' from a 'better vanished time,' to borrow a phrase from Rush.

I have nothing against the idea of rum-running during the Prohibition era; those men (and possibly some women) were performing a vital service to the poorer communities, who could not afford to stock up on booze during the 'year of grace' like the Wealthy Elite did. (Notice a trend here? "Illegal to make, transport or sell booze..." nothing about illegal to own or drink, and a year between signing and scheduled enforcement, so the 1%ers could exploit the loophole to its fullest extent.) I even have ties to the old 'rum roads,' my great-grandfather on my mother's side was a bootlegger. Moonshiners made it, rum-runners transported it, bootleggers sold and delivered it. The poor and middle class drank it, and the rich got mad that their attempt to oppress the 'little people' didn't work as well as they had planned.

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03/15/2016 2:24 PM

Do you also disdain F1 racing? Gran Prix racing? Motorcycle Racing? Boat racing? Yacht racing? Airplane racing? Sand rails? Dirt bike racing? Snow machine racing?

ALL forms of racing are represented in some form by the maker of the item being raced and mostly fun to watch.

Aside from snobbery, why would you disdain racing any more than baseball, football, hockey, tennis or any other form of sporting event.

Driving a very fast car around in circles is really a lot of fun. Sometimes, if you get the car out of shape enough you even get to turn to the right.

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03/15/2016 3:10 PM

"Aside from snobbery, why would you disdain racing any more than baseball, football, hockey, tennis or any other form of sporting event."

That's the point, I DON'T 'disdain' any sporting event more than another.

I have no real interest in sports, none, zip, zero. If a local sports team is close to winning the #1 spot their season, I'll give some 'rah rah' lip service, If a local player is garnering a lot of off-game attention, I'll notice, like Rodman and his ever-changing hair, or his endless plublisity stunts(1). I'll quote Da Supafans, because it was a fun series of sketches, and I enjoy comedy. I'll make sporting jokes because they're funny(2), I'll watch cheerleaders because pretty ladies in skimpy outfits(3), but a sporting event needs to be really special, really out of the ordinary, to ignite any passion in me.

Superbowls? Meh, call me when the halftime commercials start, let's see who did what for their 'million dollar, fifteen second time slot,' and whether they manage to come close to Apple's 1984 commercial.

Superbowl XX? Okay, THAT was a fun circus to watch, especially when William Perry made that half-yard touchdown with THE ENTIRE PATRIOTS TEAM hanging off him.

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  1. Is Rodman still wrestling? Or has he retired from that already? Haven't paid much attention to Wrestling at all since the Hulkamania era(4).
  2. Why is the Crosstown Classic in Chicago such a wonderful event when it's held on the North side? The White Sox fans get to spend a day in a gorgeous, Old-School baseball stadium, and the Cubs fans get to see a Chicago team win a game in Wrigley Field.
  3. This should not need explaining.
  4. Although The Undertaker deserves due props, he is/was wrestling on into his 60's, with no real sign of slowing down, and is/was the only wrestler allowed to used the dangerous piledriver move after it was banned in the WWF/WWE, since he had the skill and DECADES of experience to pull it off safely.
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03/15/2016 4:28 PM

Interestingly enough, NASCAR has only been mentioned here by you.

No one else ever mentioned it.

So, there must be some deep seated resentment of this particular type of motor racing as compared to all the other types of motor racing that causes you particular heartburn.

I expect that the Super Bowl has a much larger carbon footprint than NASCAR, and certainly one season of any major league sport would dwarf the Hillbilly sport of NASCAR in carbon released into the atmosphere.

Some of us Rednecks think it's fun. Let us have our fun.

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03/16/2016 9:52 AM

"Interestingly enough, NASCAR has only been mentioned here by you.

No one else ever mentioned it."

It was likely the image accompanying the original post that colored my opinion to say NASCAR, since those look more like 'stock cars' than they do F1 racers.

As for 'resentment,' perhaps I have a little 'commuter dislike' about auto racing left over from the time of $4-5 a gallon gas. When I'm paying ridiculous prices just to get to and from work, and am passing on family birthday and graduation parties because I feel the trip will burn up my lunch money for the next week, it seems a bit wasteful to have 20-30 cars flying around a track going nowhere, all of them chugging gasoline like it's going out of style. Fuel prices have gotten to more reasonable levels, so that shouldn't bother me anymore, but there light still be a little lingering 'aftertaste' that hasn't quit fading yet.

(And there might be some dislike of Fiat, since after they bought Chrysler, they killed development on the EV-line of Jeeps. I was looking forward to having a hybrid electric Wrangler, even though I was going to have to wait an extra year or two for the tech to transition over from the high-end Cherokee line.)

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03/16/2016 10:40 AM

I accept the fact that you know nothing about auto racing with that explanation.

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