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Women of the Week: The Babushkas of Chernobyl

Posted July 29, 2019 12:00 AM by lmno24

Editor’s note: In tandem with the popularity of the HBO miniseries Chernobyl, CR4 presents some special content to spark discussion about the infamous nuclear disaster. A related Guess the Architecture post will follow.

The Chernobyl nuclear accident is one of two events listed at Level 7 event classification on the International Nuclear Event Scale, the maximum on the nuclear energy disaster scale. The other is the 2011 Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster in Japan.

On April 26th, 1986, an experiment that was intended to test the safety of the nuclear power plant went wrong. A fire started and radiation spread for days, sending toxic rain to parts of Europe, as far as Italy.

The neighboring town of Pripyat, Ukraine, was evacuated at the time of the accident and many residents thought they might return home someday. Most did not, as the area is still extremely radioactive, and will be for hundreds of more years. Chernobyl’s Exclusion Zone is a 1,000-square-mile area complete with border guards.

Today, the town sits as a time capsule of that tragic accident. The concrete and metal cover over Reactor No. 4 is cracked and rusty but still guards tons of radioactive material underneath. That problem won’t go away for thousands of years.

When the town was evacuated, about 1,200 people refused to leave. A little over 130 remain to this day, mostly women, and colloquially dubbed the “Babushkas of Chernobyl.”

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Filmmaker and journalist Holly Morris discovered the community of elderly women while she was visiting Chernobyl for a 25th anniversary story. After capturing footage, with a Geiger counter going berserk, she saw in the distance what appeared to be a sign of life.

She was right. The community of people, she found, is mostly women now in their 70s and 80s, who defied government orders and returned to their homes. The men mostly have died off from health complications related to alcohol, tobacco and radiation exposure, Morris said in a 2013 TED Talk.

The women came back illegally, and the government has tried to remove them several times but they have a certain stubbornness and have stayed put. Many of the homes in the area were bulldozed years ago, but some remain. Some are vacant and overgrown but some are still home to these Babushkas, or “babas,” which is the Russian term for grandmother.

Morris visited them and found that their desire to stay doesn’t stem from unawareness of the radiation risks but a desire to be in the home they fought for over the years. They survived Stalin’s rule, the Nazi government and Chernobyl. But they’re happy in their contaminated home, happier than in an unknown city outside of Kiev. They grow potatoes, have found well water and generally make do with what they have.

They know the risks but they aren’t sick to the point of immobility or other ailments. One of the babas, Hanna Zavorotnya, told Morris that she’s not scared of radiation, but starvation. Many would rather risk dying from a lack of resources than be separated from their family homes. They hear of friends who evacuated and they are worse off now and suffer from mental health issues.

'You can’t take me from my mother; you can’t take me from my motherland. Motherland is motherland,’ Zavorotnya told Morris in an interview.

The women live simple, quiet lives. Most have electricity but no running water, some have farm animals like pigs and chickens. They pass the time with television and knitting or needlepoint. They visit one another and play cards or help one another when it’s time to slaughter an animal for food.

In 2017, Morris debuted a documentary about the women. It captures the resilience and solidarity of these women and illustrates the power of one’s roots.

The group shows an unexpected beacon of life among of the world’s worst nuclear tragedies. Even with a constantly ticking Geiger counter reminding them of what was, their existence shows the power of the human spirit and determination.


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07/29/2019 9:08 AM

Interesting and timely article -- thanks for publishing!

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07/29/2019 10:38 AM

The risk it seems was overstated, as these healthy women are living proof of...and I might add, the burgeoning wildlife population....Most people would struggle with living off the land, even the young, especially without any financial support....It really is wonderful to get to a point in your life when you no longer worry about threats to your health, surviving on a day by day basis is your only concern in that area....

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07/30/2019 1:08 AM

Thanks! I was not aware of these brave women. The fact that they are still alive and still able to fend for themselves seems to indicate that the dangers from radiation have been exaggerated, just like the dangers from lead, mercury, asbestos. and...

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07/30/2019 6:29 AM

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07/30/2019 3:23 PM

Most people still do not understand the risks and complications that higher radiation levels pose to the flesh.

When people think about radiation dangers, most people think of the effects of acute radiation syndrome. A few noble souls at Chernobyl did die from this horrible death in their attempts to mitigate the disaster. But to die in this manner requires a very high dose of 0.7 Gy (70 Rad) to a body in a short amount of time. Of course, this level is not a hard and fast threshold that guarantees death, let alone sickness. Everything about radiation is a demonstration of statistics and probabilities.

If one is unfortunate to obtain a high dose of ionizing radiation but over a much longer period then the broad spectrum of ailments from chronic radiation syndrome becomes a problem. The Soviets were painfully familiar with this scenario from the earlier Kyshtym disaster. This is what the exclusion zone around Chernobyl is minimizing.

So how does this square with the Babushkas of Chernobyl and the returning flora and fauna to this region? Clearly, they are residing in a region where chronic radiation syndrome should be a problem. Well, most chronic diseases take decades to kill. That's why they call them chronic. Anyone, lady or beast, not expecting to live more than two decades will not be overly concerned with this syndrome. Compounding this is the ever-present random factor and statistics with any ionizing radiation.

So these hearty women are playing the odds with a limited expectation. God bless them.

But to claim that the disaster is overblown is nothing but ignorant folly.

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07/30/2019 5:13 PM

There have been 2056 nuclear detonations to date...528 of those were in the atmosphere...Not to mention naturally occurring nuclear radiation and ionizing radiation from the medical x-rays everybody gets....add to that 3 or 4 partial meltdowns at nuclear power plants...Yet there seems to be very few deaths that have been attributed to any of these other than the war...Where's the disaster? Radiation treatments for cancer would seem to defy logic, the patients get sick but then they recover...Astronauts regularly venture into space well above the protection of the atmosphere and are exposed to all types of radiation, yet they seem to have no ill effects....The hype about nuclear radiation is overblown...

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07/30/2019 8:50 PM

From the Merriam Webster online dictionary:

disaster noun

di·​sas·​ter | \ di-ˈza-stər , -ˈsa- \

Definition of disaster

1 : a sudden calamitous event bringing great damage, loss, or destruction

natural disasters

broadly : a sudden or great misfortune or failure

The party was a disaster.

The destruction of nuclear reactor 4 at Chernobyl was a disaster. Or do you need a definition of the meaning of the word "or".

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07/30/2019 11:12 PM

"For all the disruption, the official Soviet death toll for the accident stands at just 31. This comprises the two people killed immediately by the explosion and irradiation, plus the plant workers and first responders who were exposed to fatal doses of radiation in the days, weeks and months after as clean-up operations got underway."...

https://www.newsweek.com/chernobyl-disaster-death-toll-estimates-radiation-cancer-1444029

..."After adopting crime-fighting techniques in 2004 that were recommended by the Los Angeles Police Department and the New York City Police Department,[15] Chicago recorded 448 homicides, the lowest total since 1965."...

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I guess every month is a disaster in Chicago...

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The Chernobyl incident occurred in 1986...that's 33 years ago

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07/31/2019 9:23 PM

And the Soviet Union repelled and defeated the Nazis in 1945... 41 years before that. So what?

Or is this just another non-sequitur tangent to distract from anything meaningful.

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..." Anyone, lady or beast, not expecting to live more than two decades will not be overly concerned with this syndrome."... Try to keep up....

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These Babushkas remember fighting off the Nazis and enduring Stalin's purges. They clearly did not do these things as infants so they were in their fifties when the Chernobyl disaster happened. Living an additional 20 years was far from certain.

You don't seem to be grasping anything outside of your own biases. Try to keep up.

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Living an additional 20 years is uncertain for anybody...but they have lived for 33 years in this environment, that is certain....What about the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, how old were they?

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Your biases certainly do blind you from others perspective, regardless of how well the words are crafted. Yes, these 130 survivors have lived in the exclusion zone but about 1,070 that refused to leave did not. (1200-130=1070) That's about a 90% mortality rate. I think this disqualifies Chernobyl as a safe place for people to live.

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Earth has a 100% mortality rate...without cause of death and age, this means nothing...are you trying to say that the 1070 people all died from radiation exposure? For all you know they all died from unrelated causes...These ladies, living off the land, would have to have the maximum exposure, and here they are....any one of them looks like she could throw you over her shoulder like a sack of potatoes and carry you to the nearest village and back.....

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No, my entire point is exactly what you are now saying. Without knowing a lot more information, it is folly to say anything that refutes or confirms the conclusions of those who already have more information. Claiming that an observed population survival rate of only 10% as proof of a healthy environment is folly unless one can demonstrate that the expected (there's that word again) survival rate for that population would normally be 10% or less.

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08/03/2019 2:58 PM

Well it seems the people that stayed in the radiation area outlived their counterparts that left, by an average of 10 years...Holly Morris tries to explain it away with some conceptual romantic BS here...but it could be the radiation...and the population is quoted at 200 people scattered around the area...

https://www.ted.com/talks/holly_morris_why_stay_in_chernobyl_because_it_s_home?language=en

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I've yet to watch the Ted talk but are you saying that of the 49,360 people that use to live in Pripyat that less than 4,960 are still alive today?

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08/02/2019 11:06 AM

On a lighter note, candidate Gillibrand recently brought up that she was "offended" by a newspaper column...from 1981.

Now...there is a disaster in the making.

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The radiation risks of low Earth orbit (the type that Scott Kelley experienced) will probably be greatly different for the Van Allen belts are still protecting a low Earth orbit vehicle. The low radiation effects on a brain your article presents are interesting and I'll have to look for the original paper. One of the things the NASA testing at BNL has shown is that a solar flare (what makes an aurora here) will produce a great radiation risk for occupants inside a spacecraft than outside. Ironically the metallic skin of the capsule will produce a secondary radiation shower inside that will create an even higher dose to the occupants than if they were outside of the craft.

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That's really interesting. Can you provide a link?

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I looked for the papers on the experiments performed at BNL but could not locate ones that obviously cite work from there. I did locate an earlier paper predicting this phenomena from my Google search. An overall paper on shielding a spacecraft from radiation touches on this but only briefly. Another more recent paper can be found here. From what I remember the key factor was that the energy of the of the secondary particles was now more numerous than for each particle striking the shell and at a much lower energy so they were more likely to deposit that energy into flesh.

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Thanks! Those papers contained several concepts I hadn't thought of...

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