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Future Bans on Gas-Powered Cars Will Not Lead to the Death of the Automobile

Posted September 21, 2021 7:17 AM by dstrohl

Every time another municipality, state or entire country announces a circa-2035 ban on the sale of new vehicles powered by gasoline engines, we hear the same outrage from people who've listened to Rush's "Red Barchetta" too many times. (For the record, once is roughly enough.) 'It's the death of the automobile!' they scream. 'We're gonna be stuck with boring penalty box cars that don't make vroom-vroom sounds! Regulation bad!' And every time I shrug it off, because I only ever buy 20-year-old cars and by 2055 I expect to be drooling in a cup in the corner while Saint Elon's automated neural interface extracts random words from my brain to turn into freelance stories 24 hours a day.

But for some reason I paid particular attention to New York's Assembly Bill 4302, which was signed into law earlier this month and which mandates all passenger vehicles sold in the state to be zero emissions vehicles by 2035. Maybe it's because I've been digging deeper into my Chenowth electric vehicle project lately. Maybe it's because New York is the closest any of these bans have come to our little corner of Vermont. Or maybe it's because reader Bill Bennett directly asked me my opinion about the law.

I know you’re playing with electric. It doesn’t fit my picture of fun on the road. I haven’t seen any discussion of this development.

Discussion on this topic isn't really hard to find, but discussion that brings historical context to bear on the topic is indeed scarce. Specifically, there are a couple relevant precedents, starting with the Clean Air Act and the introduction of emissions standards during the Seventies. Keep reading...

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09/21/2021 10:45 AM

Governments wouldn't have to ban selling gasoline-powered cars if people did not want them. Just sayin'.

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09/21/2021 11:49 AM

The resto-mod business is going to boom...!

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09/21/2021 10:42 PM

Liberty is dead.

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09/22/2021 5:33 AM

Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to just plant more tree's?

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09/22/2021 12:02 PM

That's too obvious a solution; ergo 'it cant be right'!

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09/22/2021 7:55 AM

Agreed, they wont ban them. Firstly no one could cope with all the scrap metal and plastics and oils. Secondly, the prices of steel and aluminium would drop from having so much metal to recycle. And with all that spare material, the prices of electric vehicles should drop for the body/chassis, (not the battery).

Thirdly, they would just make it difficult and expensive to own a petrol/diesel engine vehicle, one would simply cost effectively comply with an electric vehicle so saving oneself a hassle in new bs regulations and laws.

Besides, many of the older vehicles are not designed or built to run efficiently on ethanols and lead free juice, so a future change in fuel could cost a rebuild in valves or cylinder heads or an additional additive for the fuel.

However, in places such as Africa, there is little chance that they will use electric cars or remove them IC engine vehicles from the roads as they are a life line to many, and fuel, (expensive as it may be), is always available somewhere, but electric to recharge is not available, even in large cities, due to load shedding, rolling black outs and simply no utility services in a lot of places.

In a sense, what the west will clean up in pollution, will be replaced with pollution from another country at some later time. So until all countries have the same basic supplies as the west has, and we stop chopping down forests for unsustainable farming and buildings, those with IC engines will pay the price to keep them. My guess and thoughts.

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09/23/2021 12:32 AM

The laws that have been passed do not ban ICE vehicles from the roads, they ban new car sales of ICE vehicles....and there are sure to be exceptions...and the future is always uncertain the further out you go the more so...these laws may turn out to be implausible and be revised before the time even arrives...Things can turn around quickly with a Republican congress and POTUS in power...To think that the now greening grid will sort things out is a little hard to believe...People don't like being forced into doing anything, and f###king with their ride might just cross the line....

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09/23/2021 1:22 AM

. . . a lot of millennials don't even WANT to drive.

When us old farts cross on out, it may turn out to be a very different world. Maybe just as well we're not around to see it. Think of how quaint it will have been to actually have owned a means of conveyance?

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09/23/2021 8:32 AM

The ones that say they don't want to drive is because you need to have a job and grow up to afford one....Uber as a lifestyle doesn't work, and calling your friends to get rides all the time burns out friendship...The millennials I know can't live without their car....

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09/23/2021 11:41 AM

When us old farts cross on out, it may turn out to be a very different world.

Probably by that time, they will have the IQ of self-driving cars up to the average driver level and they will outlaw driving them yourself anyway, so I guess it doesn't make much difference.

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09/23/2021 11:52 AM

The millennials mode of transport in this part of the world is E-scooters and E-cycles.

To add, I recently looked a a new cycle to discover the braking system was operated by bluetooth signal from the brake handles to the wheel brake caliper, (disc brakes). All that tech to save brake cables on the frame, all for a mere $19592. So I bought a Honda Accord 2.0 esi for $115 and sold it, after cleaning it up and installing a new exhaust, cat and lamda.

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09/22/2021 11:22 AM

I drive a 2015 F-150 Super Crew "Cowboy Cadillac" powered by a 5.0 liter Coyote ICE. Yes it is a fantastic truck with all the speed, power, MPG, range and refuel ease you could want, BUT I would drive an equivalent EV in a heartbeat if there was one available. In 2021 there isn't. In 2000 my truck would have been a golden unicorn; now it's commonplace. Do the math. Twenty some years from now the EV equivalent will be just as common. Time waits for no one; in the 21stC it flat-out sprints to the point of even thinking it might wait is not an option.

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09/22/2021 5:34 PM

Think about it. When they ban fossil fuels where are you going to get a good pizza?

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09/23/2021 3:20 PM

Never mind the pizza. You wont be able to cook a steak on the exhaust manifold on that road trip.

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