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A Fourth Spatial Dimension...Is This Where the Ghosts Live?

01/08/2018 11:50 AM

"Scientists prove the existence of fourth spatial dimension

...."It can give access to 4D quantum Hall Physics. As per the study, the scientists placed two specially designed 2D set up, and it gave them a clue about the new fourth spatial dimension, a process which is known as the quantum Hall Effect or topological phenomenon. This is an advanced calculation process which in 2016 managed to corner the Nobel Prize for Physics.

Rechtsman further stated that the team will now try to develop a new higher dimensional physics that will enable them to develop such devices so that they can take advantages of physics of higher dimensions in a lower dimension. For example, as a 2D shadow cast by a 3D object, just like that scientist have detected a 3D shadow possibly cast by a 4D object. Apparently, the 4D object is somewhat invisible.

The calculation process under the quantum Hall effect is normally based on two important materials where electron particles can act in only two dimensions. Scientists found out that the behavioural pattern of electrons in 2D plane changed when they came in the presence of a magnetic field that can also be controlled by decreasing the temperature and increasing the voltage within a particular environment.

The European team then supercooled the atoms and placed them in a 2D lattice which was created using lasers. With the help of additional lasers, the team used a quantum charged pump to stimulate the atoms and to move them. The team then detected a slight variation in the movement of the atoms which shows how a 4D quantum Hall Effect will ripple out.

By measuring the movements of atoms in the 2D lattice, Immanuel Bloch and his team at the Max-Planck Institute for Quantum Optic in Munich found that those atoms worked as the topology of the quantum Hall effect in four dimensions. However, Zilberberg informed that these new experiments can’t be used in real life for now. But it has given significant progress to Physics. The team is now working on it to know more about it and trying to find out how it works. May be one day; it will be possible to travel through the fourth spatial dimension.""

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01/08/2018 4:31 PM

Interesting but weird things that don't make sense already happen in quantum physics. I'll wait for others to confirm both the experiment and the analysis to say if a fourth spatial dimension exists.

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01/10/2018 2:12 PM

I agree, quantum and weird go hand-in-hand...I suspect this phenomenon is just a mathematics and/or measurement error....but will withhold judgement until more research is done....still all very interesting....

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01/08/2018 4:59 PM

Anyone have that old Fifth Dimension album ready?

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01/08/2018 5:36 PM

I had one but it's lost in the fourth dimension....

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01/08/2018 6:36 PM

No, but I did get the CD about a year ago but then I'd have another egg to fry.

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01/09/2018 10:59 AM

is it the dawning of the age of Aquarius?

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01/09/2018 11:13 AM

Could be, but I sense some will ride in their beautiful, beautiful balloon made of topological insulators.

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01/08/2018 6:33 PM

Not a well written article.

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01/09/2018 11:10 AM

Well, that certainly is a mouthful, or a mind full.

Some really keen things may arise from gaining more understanding of such surfaces.

I am interested in finding out more about how protons are transferred into the interstices between GPO and GP (graphene oxide and graphene), and while I get that GPO appears to be the ultimate proton conduit, I am neither seeing an understanding (for me) of whether or not protons can easily move from the area they enter, and perhaps be conducted (in electric field) between the sheets GPO/GP, or whether they quickly and locally are bound, and how tight this spatial lock is.

This has also been considered for protons or hydrogen atoms entering the interstitial spaces of the first few layers of a nickel crystal. Some have proposed that these small atoms are so localized that the momentum becomes very uncertain (that these atoms can access high levels of energy, particularly when a compression pulsation acts on the nickel lattice), and that electron capture from the SPP cloud can occur, resulting in cold neutron.

If on the other hand, or including both hands, protons are easily conducted with minimal impedance across the surface of 2D graphene (under the GPO layer on the outside), this may be of some importance in understanding proton catalysis by such materials.

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01/08/2018 11:31 PM

Back in the middle 1970s I wrote an article about the fourth spatial dimension. I went at it from a religion standpoint. The 4th dimension is a neat way to explain all the Biblical miracles by assuming that God is a 4 dimensional being. I still have the article with a few recent updates.

There is even at least one passage in the Bible that gives 4 dimensions, length, breadth, height, and depth that I used as evidence that God was 4 dimensional, but they didn't have the words to describe it. Phillips has some passages that seem to say the same thing--they didn't have words to describe it.

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01/09/2018 4:50 AM

Can you explain your interpretation of these quantities then, 'length, breadth, height, and depth', in whatever context you'd like to relate them too. As I would assume height and depth are pretty much the same thing in a physical measurement context. Or are you using depth in the emotional context.

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01/09/2018 9:30 AM

First off, I may say that I neither let my belief in God get in the way of my scientific understanding, nor do I let my scientific understanding get in the way of my belief in God. Against that background I can say that 'length, breadth, height, and depth' (St. Paul's letter to the Ephesians, chapter 3, verse 18) is pure poetry. Paul is using the feeble words of dimensions from his available vocabulary to express his understanding of the immensity of the love of God. Even if that immensity has not touched you, there is no cleverness in trivialising the expression he used.

Paul was not a scientist. Neither he nor anyone of his day could conceive that space and time might be curved in higher dimensions, a concept which is bread and butter to today's mathematicians. We do not know that other universes exist, but I have no difficulty in visualising several of them stacked in higher dimensions (with God busy looking at them all). One can even conceive that the special dimension of time might run to form a circle in higher dimensions, with the happy consequence that everything will happen again, and again and again.

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01/09/2018 9:58 AM

I mostly concur with your statements. I feel that an Omnipotent being (God), can see all dimensions throughout the span of time instantaneously, and understand them all without being "busy", as if God needs to lift one finger to exercise the will of God.

I think the Holy Bible speaks of time where God views time and sees the beginning from the end (or vice versa). Time is apparently no constraint to the Almighty.

I also find comfort in words such as "In God we live and move and have our being."

or "In Christ, all things consist (hold together)." So now we apparently see where the binding energy of nucleons arises from.

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01/09/2018 10:35 AM

Paul was a lawyer. Even today, few lawyers have a good background in the Sciences of their day, let alone the Science of today. The Metaphysical (read that as Spiritual) universe and the Physical universe are not necessarily directly conjoined. Science can only suggest how things might happen in the Physical universe (and even that is under continuous revision); it was never expected to explain the Why.

Hopefully aall Scientists understand that: "What we know is a drop, what we don't know is the ocean."

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01/09/2018 11:12 AM

Actually, we know not near enough about the droplet.

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01/09/2018 1:29 PM

No, Saul was a lawyer. Paul was an evangelist, Bible teacher, pastor, and tentmaker.

Two very different people .

My belief (and I don't have the time right now to go into WHY) is that the physical is a subset of the universe; the metaphysical is too, but is larger. The demarkation between the two is our understanding.

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01/09/2018 1:33 PM

Why would there be any such demarcation? I agree that there are these two subsets (physical and metaphysical) to the universe, but am not at all sure that any lines of demarcation can be drawn and that there could be and is a considerable overlap between the two.

So as a tentmaker, Paul was an engineer, and that keeps these thoughts entirely on topic.

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01/09/2018 2:03 PM

Yeah, when no demarcation exists then everything is "on topic".

I wonder, with movement across the three dimensions identified by up, down, left, right, forward and back will the fourth dimension motion acquire the terms in and out?

How many angels actually want to dance on the head of a pin? Maybe, they're into yoga instead.

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Angels are part of Southern Baptist doctrine. Southern Baptists have a prohibition of public (at least) dancing. By extension, the angels associated with Southern Baptists do not dance on the head of a pin, but they do drink on Saturday night.

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01/09/2018 3:55 PM

What I am saying is that the demarkation is totally subjective - different for every person.

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01/09/2018 4:40 PM

Yes, and I see this as the overlap of two sets, remember sets in math class?

I also see subjectivity here. I don't do much objectively any more, so I just go with my gut.

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Well, I should know better than to try to do this at work, and it's not fun anymore.

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01/09/2018 3:57 PM

In accordance with conventional understanding Saul and Paul were the very same person. I am told that Saul of Tarsus was a lawyer who studied under Gamaliel recognized as a Pharisee doctor of Jewish Law .

Paul the Apostle (Latin: Paulus; Greek: Παῦλος, translit. Paulos; c. 5 – c. 67), commonly known as Saint Paul and also known by his Jewish name Saul of Tarsus (Hebrew: שאול התרסי‎, translit. Sha'ul ha-Tarsi; Greek: Σαῦλος Ταρσεύς, translit. Saulos Tarseus)

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Interesting, but there is no good evidence that Paul was a lawyer, although before his conversion he was indeed a fervent upholder of the Jewish law. He is traditionally understood to have earned his living as a tent-maker.

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01/09/2018 4:14 PM

This Bible passage is Ephesians, chapter 3, verses 17 & 18 where these 4 dimensions are given in a slightly different order: breadth, length, depth, height. Some people's opinions are that the scriptures were dictated by God Who would have used words that our language would support/understand. Whether dictated or not, my use was as 4 spatial dimensions; the normal 3: x, y, & z; then the fourth, w; all being mutually perpendicular. Thus, in a 4 dimensional coordinate system, 4 numbers would be necessary to locate a point. In a religious setting, we can interpret positive w as heaven, and negative w as hell, with the w = 0 "plain" being our 3D space where both heaven and hell would exist.

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01/09/2018 7:43 PM

Simplistically speaking, depth could be interpreted as negative height, and therefore, as a subset of height, especially if Space S is simultaneously all-Sx-with-all-Sy-with-all-Sz, and limited to euclidean space. So, it could all depend on whether depth, say, is a quantitative, or a qualitative, entity... Realistically, time is a better nominee for the title of (next) dimension...

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01/09/2018 10:48 PM

I still think that this is more likely a quantum mechanic anomaly (like tunneling) than an actual fourth spatial dimension.

A plane parallel to the xy axis is perpendicular to the z axis. Similarly a yz plane is perpendicular to x and the xz plane is perpendicular to y. The cycle is closed. I don't doubt at all that more than three dimensions exist but spatial dimensions are a special subset of dimensions that are limited to just three. This is true when one also switches from Cartesian to spherical or polar coordinate identifications in space.

Greater than 3 dimensional coordinate systems like Canonical coordinates are certainly used in many forms of Physics but these bring other critical but non-spatial attributes like energy and momentum into a set of equations.

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