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Gaseous Air Flow and Negative Pressure in Sewer Tunnels Zone 0 Equipment

07/15/2020 1:57 AM

I'm looking to install Air Flow and vacuum pressure instrumentation in a sewer tunnel.

As it is a sewer this is a hazardous area and zone 0 classified, with hydrogen sulfide H2S and other gases present and ambient temperatures up to 110F and RH95% . Ideally the instrumentation should be installed on a structure and designed as retractable to remove from the sewer for maintenance, calibration, replacement etc.

Does anyone know of suitable manufactures or instrumentation which could be used in this type of environment.

Thanks in advance for all who accept the challenge and assist

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07/15/2020 3:07 AM
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07/15/2020 4:27 AM

Thanks for the information.

The vacuum pressure may be available from the Ashcroft as they have ATEX rate systems but did not specify to zone o, but will inquire.

I believe a company called sensorone can provide, but obviously better to have greater choice.

The more the better.

DMP331 Precision Pressure Transmitter

https://www.sensorsone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/DMP331.pdf

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07/15/2020 4:44 AM

If it's Zone 0 then there is no prospect of humans bring present; if there were then it exposes the risk of being prosecuted under Health & Safety legislation.

So why is <...Air Flow and vacuum pressure...> of interest in this zone?

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07/15/2020 5:00 AM

Yes agreed

A live sewer is always Zone 0 and to access requires special H&S procedures including, force ventilation, full BA sets, correct PPE , training RAMS etc.

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07/15/2020 5:02 AM

The question regarding air flow in a zone 0 remains unanswered. Why is a continuous measurement of air flow needed when there are no humans present?

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07/15/2020 5:23 AM

As there is a requirement to control the H2S pressure in the sewer as pressures above 0.05 psi are extremely corrosive.

Also if H2S combines with the effluent the chemical reaction will form sulfuric acid.

Hence the pressure is reduced by extracting the H2S and treating in an odor control system. to negate the potential corrosive attack on the structures and maintain the H2S at a pressure where the structures will experience least possible corrosive attack.

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07/15/2020 5:25 AM

Ah. So this isn't about air flow, it's about H2S flow.

There are a multitude of odour scrubber vendors and an enquiry to these will produce recently adopted standards for these things. Telephone?

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07/15/2020 5:18 AM

It would make more sense to exclude air from the arrangement, thereby pushing the conditions above the upper flammable limit of the substances present. Then there would be no air flow to measure.

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07/15/2020 5:32 AM

Unfortunately the design of gravity sewers cannot be design to run at full bore due to the extremely variable inputs to the system and requirements not to surcharge and overflow.

Although the force main (pumped) systems can be designs to operate at full bore.

Thank you for your contribution to the question always good to explore alternative options.

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07/15/2020 2:43 PM

For pressure measurement, use an impulse tube to get the low range DP pressure transmitter out of the nasty environment. The NACE options for off-shore rigs produces a pretty rugged DP transmitter from the major vendors. The wetted parts have to be suitable for H2S - like AISI 316L or Hastelloy C with PTFE gasketing. A DP transmitter can be zone 0 when installed as an intrinsically safe device, if the instrument has to be 'local'.

For flow measurement, the HVAC hot wire anemometers will corrode in H2S, there's little protecting the hot wire because it has to be sensitive to air flow changes. There might be plastic air velocity windmills that are H2S resistant but I doubt most of the air velocity instruments are designed to protect the electronic connections against H2S, they're designed for normal air service. But it's a big world, there might be a plastic sour service windmill out there, who knows?

There's the venerable HVAC pitot tubes connected with to a DP pressure transmitter.
There's no flow through an impulse tube to a DP transmitter, the tubing is dead headed. So the migration corrosives is somewhat limited and could even be 'purged' on a timed basis to clear the impulse lines. There's also continuous purge but that requires matched purge pressures on both sides and any deviation is a direct error in the measurement.

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07/16/2020 4:43 AM

Thanks for taking the time for such a comprehensive and informative response.

I've been in touch with numerous companies and there are some who have responded they maybe able to assist on the air flow using vane with decoder and others with the sour windmill solution.

As you say it is a big world out there and some good and innovate products continually being developed.

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07/16/2020 3:29 PM

FCI Fluid Components International LLC has been making thermal mass flow instruments since at least the mid 1970s, so they have seen a lot. I’ve used their equipment on various gasses, but not heavy H2S concentrations, light concentrations are common in pulp mills, forest products. Their ST98L in aluminum is rated for Class 1 Div 1 and more, with provisions for corrosion protection, imperative in many chemical process plants. This should be just a walk in the park for them.

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Re: Gaseous Air Flow and Negative Pressure in Sewer Tunnels Zone 0 Equipment

11/15/2020 7:05 AM

Here is a link to a a reliable company that is familiar with all aspects of STP issues,including pressure,gas analysis,etc.

Your problem is not unique and there are plenty of solutions available.

https://krohne.com/en/products/pressure-measurement/pressure-transmitters/

As previously stated,there are many solutions available,so pick the one that best suits your needs.

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