New Delta Strain of COVID hits China Port. Should we be Worried?

I'll start.

I decided to create this thread, because I am concerned. We're less than a week from reopening here in CA and then I hear about the new Covid strain hitting China. My worry is that it'll make it's way to the US, then we'll hear about Covid cases rising and next, we'll be running around with masks and waiting for the new vaccine to come out, which prevents the Delta variant.

I want to get back to normal life. I'm getting tired of masks, social distancing, the odd feeling extending a hand for a handshake - or being on the receiving end and the poor quality of work from employees - the feeling they give you "don't complain, you should be happy I showed up".

Just asked CNN,... I understand it dropped out of the top 5 cable news (lol) station...

Cartoon Network has better ratings than CNN.

Far more informative too.

Wow, what a disaster!

Remember Wolf Blitzer and his coverage of the first Iraq war. Desert Storm, right? All our eyes were glued to the screen as we watched our Patriot Missiles attempt to intercept SCUDs. And our battleships throwing shells the size of VW's! What an impressive show of force and we all felt patriotic as we showed the Iraqis why they shouldn't mess with us.

I just took at look at the Cartoon Network lineup for today. I don't know a single show! I've heard of Johnny Bravo, but never watched it.

I then looked at CNN's lineup and I know a few. Chris Cuomo, Wolf Blitzer, Erin Burnett and of course Anderson Cooper.

I did watch CNN on the day of the election. And a little during the Capitol Siege (or whatever we are now calling it).

The smart bombs were unbelievable...

in the stores, everyone was around the electronics department watching. ‘The game’.

Smart bombs were great!

And how about those Bunker busters!

I do not watch CNN or Fox.Both too political.I watch BBC,DW, and other out of country news channels to get a better long range view of our current state of affairs,and what I see is not good.

IMHO:

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Many(MSM?) advocate disconnecting the support machinery,and sadly,the result will be the ashes of democracy placed into the

COVID is the new whipping boy for all failures;Gas prices,slow deliveries,higher prices on everything,including,and especially building materials.

COVID is the curtain.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

The curtain covers a multitude of sins.

Just follow the yellow brick road.Eyes on the road..don't look around,focus on the road..you are getting sleepy..you are getting sleepy....

Inflation must increase to pay for all of the"FREE MONEY" (TANSTAAFL).

Free speech?It does not live here anymore.

It just took the last train for the coast,the music has died.

We have the illusion of being free when we go to a vending machine and select our snack.Hundreds of items to choose from.

When selecting representatives in government,only two choices;the lesser of two evils.

Free press?BAH HUMBUG!What a joke!

Just try to post a personal opinion that does not agree with the current

agenda-driven journalism on any public forum.

Not a peep will be published,or if one slips through,the individual or group will be blocked from further posts.

The water is slowly being boiled,and the frogs do not even know that they will soon be cooked and on the menu.

Our country has crested the hill,and is picking up speed on the downhill side,sad to say.

The average duration of democracies is about 200 years,and ours is on life support now.

Many (MSM?) are advocating disconnecting the life support machinery and allowing democracy to decay into ashes and the urn will be be placed into the sepulcher of the socialists' tombs,which in time, when other people's money runs out,will be eaten by the worms of communism.This too will not endure forever;it will end in eventual revolt,civil war and be replaced with another form of government,possibly a theocracy.And the beat goes on.History repeats itself.

Humankind will never learn.

I hope our country remains strong and we find a way to get back to a much less crooked political system (I want to keep it realistic as we'll never get corruption out of politics).

Based on some of the things we've seen in the past year +, it seems like the leaders are raping our country - it seems like they know something is ready to burst and they're filling their pockets as fast as they can. $Trillions for me and my friends and we'll give the public a few hundred million and they'll be happy.

Our national debt is $28.5T = 128% of GDP! We have $175T in national assets (includes household assets) AND $154.4T in unfunded liabilities. $21T in the black - that doesn't feel very assuring. Here's why I feel that way. Lets shift some 0's and use a personal example. Say I have $1.75M in assets, but $1.54M in debt, so I have $210K net positive. If I sell everything and pay debt to $0 and then I retire today and find a way to get a 5% return safely, it gives me $10,500 annual income. If I'm 65 and I maximize my Social Security income, I get $34.1K per year. Total is $44.6K or $3,716 per month. Let's say I pay 15% state and federal tax, so now I have $37.9K to spend or $3,160 per month. I've sold everything, so now I have to pay rent = $2,000 per month. I still have $1,160, but now I need a car, insurance, food, utilities, cell phone, internet, etc. At the end of the month, I'm near $0 AND with inflation coming back strong, a year or so down the line and I'm negative every month = either cut back or start chipping away at my $210K.

Pretty scary stuff!

Higher ratings = higher advertising dollars.

Tuning out MSM is a good thing and I'm one of those who rarely watches the evening news (the only time I watch it is when I'm at the tire shop). I do watch CNBC and Bloomberg in the morning - I feel it's a good way to start my day!

My business relies on clients propensity to consume and inventory levels. When China shuts down a port, it could have an effect on my business. If the gov't shuts things down again, it'll have a big impact on our human psyche and also on the economy, again, important to my business, but this time around, it's also very important to my mental health - as you can tell, I'm very tired of Covid shutdowns! I'm not a virologist or for that matter, in the medical field, so I get information from my sources, one of which is from here - I come to this site to find out what you guys know and what you think. Being an engineer by education, I feel that quality information is important - it helps me make the best plan I can.

Company where I worked, my first project I stepped into already in progress, in Salt Lake City I was the project engineer and management made numerous high risk business decisions that didn’t work out.

One being they prematurely rented a new building (100,000 sq/ft) that was being built, management signed a long term lease, to move a process line in that we outgrew.

who ever did the original CAPEX, the numbers weren’t even 1/5 to the actual costs... the project was killed, had to repurpose part of it and we used it as warehouse and sort area, We then had to out about 40,000 sq/ft to a cabinet shop?..

they got their cabinets from China... that was when Trump put an embargo on Chinese imports... the company had to shut that location down...

that was the brief explanation... it was actually worse.

Hopefully, the company re-purposed the financial planner who made the 80% cost error. That's completely unacceptable!

If things go as usual,he was promoted to a higher position.The Peter Principle at work.

No,... they hire a scapegoat Project Engineer... put it all on him, and gave him a huge severance.

HTRN is so correct,... the The main guy, was promoted to COO, the underlines under were all given promotion.

the Project Engineer, while all this was happening, during the video conference calls, brought up some very embarrassing information.

The Director of Engineering, came about 15 minutes after the minute and said, you where pretty hard on the COO, the reply was... ‘Hard?, I told him what he needed to know, not what he wanted to know.”

The director of engineering said, well, this information maybe it’ll be best if you give it to him first, and he’ll pass it on without it being sharp. After the second report was given to the director of engineering (doe), the doe he said, you should really give this to your boss, which was the engineering manager.

there’s more details, but yes... that when the project engineer saw the writing on the wall.

the Peter principal at work.

Well if your only concern is your own personal wallet then yes you should be very worried about a pandemic continuing to spread and mutate in Asia, particularly since your income is not as properly diversified as your suppliers. Buggy whip manufacturers that shunned the marital aid market either found sulky racers to stay barely liquid or they closed their shops.

Every industry has cycles of growth and collapse. These mathematicians, physicists, programmers and engineers know exactly how to turn big data knowledge into significant money returns. They allow AI to look at everything in order to keep money flowing.

My point is quality information is certainly important but it only comes at a price. A free blog site where anyone can anonymously post ideas both referenced and fantastic is not a good place to find quality information.

Hey Phoenix, I may have someone to help you get rid of your stockpile of Cobra Cordless phones and ink wells.

I’ll wait till they make their comeback...

Or, you can sell them to a museum in about 30 years! I'm keeping my record player and LP's, because someday they'll ... ummmm ... never mind.

Ya... has anyone have a needle?

I'm sorry, but I'm very short sighted and my ONLY concern is my wallet.

I'm having trouble selling my Buggy Whips and I have far too much inventory. You seem to be sooo smart, so you may be able to help me retail them.

Maybe you can use your AI to do so. I can't trust anyone else here on the site, because it's a free blog site and only idiots post here.

Thanks for your insight.

At least not from anonymous posters, who take a quick dump then run off into the shadows....

Great information Solar! Thanks for posting!

I don't like the feeling we have of not believing our media or government, but unfortunately, I think we've been here for a while and with Covid, it not only became worse, but was so blatant. To me, it feels like nobody cares anymore. Yes, I'm exaggerating, but pre-Covid, at least it felt like "they" would hide their actions. Now they're doing it in the open and the general public is falling for it. Whether it's the cry for flattening the curve (one that I actually thought was a good idea) to "testing, testing, testing", from a congresswoman who couldn't tell you if an accurate test exists, to "masks, masks, masks", however soon before our head of infectious diseases told us that we didn't need to wear them ... then months later he tells us to wear two! "They" screamed "follow the science" without understanding that you can't flip flop so fast without scientific evidence (no masks to must wear a mask to two masks). And shouldn't someone who is an expert on infectious disease know if a mask does help contain a virus? Yes, "follow the science" at first made me laugh, but when the average person on the street was saying it, it was no longer a joke and the average person now must think that science is like choosing the color of your shirt - today is a red day ... yes, I'm going to wear a red shirt today! Flavor of the day???

Ooops, I was so charged up, I forgot my summary statement.

As individuals, most of us have fared pretty well during the worst pandemic of our lives - hopefully the worst that we'll ever see. The only reason we've fared well is that the government piled a ton of money into the economy in an effort to offset the lower productivity. If you don't believe it, think about the stock market in March 2021. The only reason it rebounded is the Federal Reserve dumped a ton of liquidity into the market and promised to continue until the pandemic was over and we were back to normal. If the Fed didn't take action, the market would've continued to drop and our 401K plans would've dropped. Some of us would've sold our mutual funds, causing the market to drop further. Rinse and repeat.

The government followed with stimulus packages and free money to the people, deferred mortgage payments, deferred rent, no evictions, money to employers to keep people on the payroll, etc. I am 100% certain that I would not be in the financial shape I'm in, if the Fed and gov't wouldn't have stepped in.

Those are the good things "they" did for us. The other things, such as spending $T's on their pet projects and repaying favors - and the bad part is that they gave more to their "friends" than to us! My sister called me one day and we went through the first stimulus package. I couldn't believe how much was spent on "other" things. I recommend every one here read the signed bill and see where your tax money has gone (is going). While you're at it, read the other stimulus bills - it'll make you want to cry!

So, what do we do? I think it's good to know what is truly happening, or at least know as much as we can. Then ask yourself what you as an individual can do about it. I hate to say, but your answer will be nothing. So instead of fretting over it, just understand that you're powerless against "them" and if you fight back, you're going to lose. I tell people to think of how they can "invest" to increase their returns. Or to reduce losses.

Okay, off my soapbox.

We don't need to cry about the wasteful pork-barrel spending. We need to send those responsible for it packing and replace them with people who will look out for the country instead of their party. And then we need those representatives to write new legislation cancelling that pork barrel spending that hasn't been spent yet. And then listen the ninnies scream their heads off that we're killing the children and pushing grandma off the cliff.

To change the "system", someone very powerful needs to take control. Someone who isn't a politician. Someone who doesn't need the money. Someone who knows how to run a business and can make difficult decisions - and base them on what's best for the country as a whole. Someone who isn't afraid to rattle cages. Someone ... Umm ... Uhhh ... Didn't we just have someone like this ... Never mind!

COVID is the new whipping boy for all failures;Gas prices,slow deliveries,higher prices on everything,including,and especially building materials.

COVID is the curtain.

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

The curtain covers a multitude of sins.

Just follow the yellow brick road.Eyes on the road..don't look around,focus on the road..you are getting sleepy..you are getting sleepy....

Inflation must increase to pay for all of the"FREE MONEY" (TANSTAAFL).

Free speech?It does not live here anymore.It just took the last train for the coast,the music has died.

We have the illusion of being free when we go to a vending machine and select our snack.Hundreds of items to choose from.

When selecting representatives in government,only two choices;the lesser of two evils.

Free press?BAH HUMBUG!What a joke!

Just try to post a personal opinion that does not agree with the current

agenda-driven journalism on any public forum.

Not a peep will be published,or if one slips through,the individual or group will be blocked from further posts.

The water is slowly being boiled,and the frogs do not even know that they will soon be cooked and on the menu.

Our country has crested the hill,and is picking up speed on the downhill side,sad to say.

"Too bad!Too Sad! Your dad."

Covid is to blame?,... no, climate change is be blamed for the administrations incompetencies...

Oh my! This is the first time I heard this. Climate change has caused the influx of immigrants at our boarder?

I am very doubtful that our leaders believe this - it can't be possible! What could it be? A distraction! Watch my right hand as my left hand is in your pocket!

The MSM and the politicians are the greatest prestidigitators in the universe.

Most people are watching the wrong hand,and are redirected to a alternate direction while the knife is being slipped into their Carotid.

Democracy will survive until some people realize they can vote themselves unlimited free things from the government.When this group of selfish voters outnumber the selfless ones,the economy will have become a socialist government.

Remember what happened to the USSR?

IMHO:We will soon be the USSA.(United Socialist States Of America).

I probably won't be around to see it all transpire,but I see the baby bump forming.

"Feed the consumer(cattle),keep them happy and well fed.If they get restless,give them more money,more money,more money(Novocaine)"Dam- the inflation,give them more money".

"They will not even realize they are being led up the ramp to the top floor of the slaughterhouse.Their own weight will power their decent."

"By the time the coffers run out of money,we will be gone with our golden,diamond encrusted,blood stained parachutes. The people don't matter, only WE matter."

At this stage,there is nothing we can do about it.

The frog is cooking.

Just sit back and watch a rerun of history unfold.

The names,dates,and locations have been changed to protect he guilty,but the plot is the same.

I was just born too late to see it the first time around,but anyone can get a good preview from the history books.

"Too bad,Too sad,Your Dad" (from a '50's joke)

I believe that something will wake up the sheeple. Yes, the takers will keep taking - nothing we can do about it. However, I believe that the average person in the US is a good, law abiding citizen, who truly cares for our great nation. The problem is that we've been distracted (watching the wrong hand). Smart phones are an amazing invention, BUT I feel it could be the main contributor IF our country falls. OR, what most likely will happen is that our standard of living will continue to drop, with a large step down every few years (recession). People won't remember pre-recession times - we have such a short memory span! We'll be given another toy to play with, while the standard drops! As the frog contently sits in the boiling pot of water!

Yet the ‘panic queens’ are silent that someone should do something. Unlike their panic response from the last administration.

The media has been pretty quiet about this. I did hear something very upsetting. I posted in a different thread, but this is a good place for it. ADE - https://www.globalresearch.ca/dr-robert-malone-inventor-mrna-technology-signals-worst-case-scenario-about-covid-19-vaccines/5751798

Dr Malone is suppose to be the father of mRNA vaccines. He claims to be pro-vaccine, but he's very concerned about Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE). As the vaccine becomes less effective, the person can actually host more virus than an unvaccinated person. This will lead to more mutations (a numbers game) and more contagious and possible deadly ones. What I got out of it is that we may go through the entire Greek alphabet, before this is over!

Let's hope not!

Think about this for minute.

We (as a nation) are spending a fortune on carbon emissions reduction. As far as I know, there's no proof that carbon emissions are the cause of climate change. And even if there were proof, has anyone calculated the amount we (as a planet) need to reduce carbon emissions? We have to calculate thing like burning wood for heat (done in many, many parts of the world - not everyone has a temperature controlled home! Or how about vehicles in third world countries - where the goal of the owner is to get to work and where they don't even think about emission. Or nations where cheap energy (think coal) is used to generate electricity. Do you think the user is willing to pay a premium for non coal generated electricity?

Yet we're planning to go electric, with our cars, homes (solar), etc. Battery packs in our walls or in our driveways. Electricity to charge our phones, so the next morning, it's ready for another day of watching videos, chatting, etc - there has to be data showing the amount of electricity we use for our mobile devices. Brown outs? Black outs? If we're concerned about them now, think of how much worst it'll be when 1/2 of our cars are plugged into the grid!

I just had a conversation with a client today about the same thing. How is everything is the fault of Covid?

Our politicians made decisions and implemented change - they're the ones who are responsible.

Why do we have so much cash in our economy? Thank you Fed for $120B per month in bond purchases. Why is our 10 year at a real rate of -1.15%?

And what about inflation? Oh yeah, it's transitory ... been transitory for how many months? Yet the Fed keeps pumping money into the economy and artificially keeping rates down.

And of course the stock market keeps hitting new highs - has the Fed shifted it's mandate? Stable economy and full employment are the two mandates, right? How can high and rising inflation help keep the economy stable? And when we have too many people on unemployment, because it pays enough for them to stay at home vs work - can we really call this unemployment?

We're watching the world change right before our eyes and the sad thing is that there's not a thing we can do.

"This might sound odd but we also need to come to grips with the concept that, to a large extent, the truth is that there is no truth." aptly describes current covid situation.

[As per news reports, numbers related to infections, active cases, deaths etc., are often revised, disputed; treatment protocols are revised, and recommended ones are discontinued eg., blood plasma therapy; origin of covid ??; vaccine efficacy numbers are changing with each new study; even the time gap between doses (covishield/astrazeneca) is revised saying it is beneficial and then there are recent statements that the revision may be counterproductive....]

Vaccines are safe and effective - so we're told. They'll last at least a year! So get yours NOW!

Okay, I'll bite, but:

Why do vaccinated people need to wear masks ... at least in some parts of the country?

Why are booster shots needed?

Why aren't we vaccinated children under 12?

Why are the vaccines approved for Emergency Use?

Why is the delta variant causing our case count to grow?

Why are our hospitals starting to fill up again?

Does anyone know the answers?

Delta variant accounts for 6 percent of new U.S. coronavirus infections

The Delta variant first identified in India is 40% more transmissible than the alpha variant first identified in Kent in the UK which is now the dominant variant world wide. Expect the Delta variant to overtake the alpha variant in the near future.

Unfortunately, your link requires buying a subscription... what I was looking for was ok, we have the Alpha variant virus’s of Covid, and the new variant t is the Delta variant.

so, my question is, is the Beta version of COVID, would that be the variant zero born in the labs in Wuhan China?

Maybe because I'm in the UK I get to read the Washington Post for free

If you don't read WaPo, you're uninformed, if you read it, misinformed. Same with Guardian

Be careful. Black helicopters may be circling your house.

Wow, I agree with that. I personally know some top people in NIH and the impact of internal politics on what is finally released makes me question all statements on Covid [or anything else] out of Washington.

I am posting Anonymously because I fear there could be repercussion's against sources.

Sounds fake...if the fake news has taught us anything, it's that unknown sources are usually imagined...this ain't no CNN

I understand,... btw,... did you used to work for CNN and as ‘an anonymous source’ ?...

Anyways,... I take a prototype lab (it’s actually machine shop, one night a week) at the local technical college.

In the lab there’s a doctor,..an obstetrician. And now and again, before the lab would start, we’d talk about current issues of the past week, one time it was about Covid.

This may have only been one Doctor, but he said, there’s something wrong... the hospitals weren’t over whelmed, or anything of the sort... and actually questioned the severity of COVID...

Being who I am, I disagreed with him... and told him Covid is a killer...

• it killed the flu
• it killed jobs (wait Biden helped with that)
• it killed the economy (Biden helped)
• it killed low fuel prices.. (wait that was all Biden)
• etc...

he actually agreed... and he’s said he’s a Dem.

It's killed the "old way of life".

I've talked about this with a lot of people (most Baby Boomers) and the common thread is that LIFE has changed and it's not getting back to NORMAL. We feel it's a changing of the guard and the next generation's values are being implemented in the new policies.

I am bringing the following up, not for us to discuss, but to use as an example of the change that's happening, right before our eyes.

1. A man commits a crime, thus putting himself in a bad situation. He has a prior record, again he's the one who put himself into the position he's in. He gets loaded on drugs and something bad happens - he winds up dead. Just before the trial, the city throws money at the family and our POTUS sides with them. Wait, the POTUS is our chief enforcement official - didn't this guy put himself in a bad position? The rules have changed right before our eyes.

2. People are told to stay inside their homes, because a terrible, deadly infectious disease is running rampant. Yet our officials tell protesters that they support them and will allow them to "gather" and ignore the 6 foot social distancing rule, the stay in your house to avoid infection rule and "masks, masks, masks" mantra from a congresswoman. And, the "testing, testing, testing" mantra, which lets each of us know if we are infectious - ignore this too! We, law abiding citizens need to follow the rules, but protesters can violate them at will. Again, more changing of rules, right before our eyes.

3. It's illegal for someone to vandalize property, loot and burn buildings - and riot. Yet the police were told to refrain from arresting the criminals. So they're no dummies, they go to Beverly Hills, the Miracle Mile, etc. Places where there are very valuable things to steal. If this was suppose to be about a political agenda, then why go to high end locations to steal? In fact, why steal at all - is this about personal gain or a movement? More changing of rules - the first time we've seen riots in the top shelf stores and neighborhoods and the police didn't stop it.

4. Senators use their inside information for financial gain. Senators from Georgia got caught taking inside information (about Covid) and used it to sell off their stocks, right before the rest of us know and sell off ours. So far, the investigation has been weak at best and both senators are not in prison. Though both were tossed out by their electorate - thank goodness the voters knew what to do. Both were caught with their hands in the cookie jar and both haven't been brought up on charges. In the past, there was a patsy, but not this time - we know they were guilty. Yes, more changes of rules.

The values of the next generation are showing though loud and clear. This is the world they want. The world we wanted was formed by us in the 2000's. The Baby Boomers took charge of things and we implemented our generational value system. Now it's time to change the guard. That's what we're seeing and we Baby Boomers don't like it.

What do you do when you don't have faith in the leading infectious disease expert in the country?

Would you consider flip flopping to be consistent? Let me explain; if you're always flip flopping, then you can expect the person to flip flop at the first sign of pressure (or personal gain). Oooops, I shouldn't have written that. Now that's better!

It's a fact that our POTUS has claimed many things that are not true, he's plagiarized other people's words and he flip flops all the time. In other words, he's a true politician. If he continues to do these things, we'll feel comfortable, because we know what to expect - he's being consistent. If he changed and no longer makes false claims (or any of the other things listed above), then we will need to be concerned, because he's not being consistent.

Here's a better example. Kim Un Jung, runs his country like a dictator. Make that an angry, childish, bad tempered dictator. If he became cordial, respectful and showed some care for his people, we'd have to be on guard, because he's no longer being consistent. We would ask ourselves, what is he up to?

Going back to Dr. F's actions and recommendations during this pandemic, we can guess that he has a financial incentive, but do we know? Or that he's exercising his power ... again, we don't know. What we do know is that he's a doctor. he is well educated, he's done a lot of research and advised many POTUS's - we can say he's an expert in his field. So, why the inconsistencies from such a highly regarded professional? That's why we're getting the heebie jeebies - something doesn't add up.

So, what do we do? What can we do? I guess we discuss it with others, like we're doing. Any we question any of his advice, because we don't know his motive. And we watch to see where we can either save a bad investment or make a good one, based on his action and what we predict he will do in the future AND if any potential law comes out of it.

"I am not an expert on xxx,but I played one on tv..."

Amen.

I think #2 sums it up quite well

I hear Facebook banned him for two more years. What a way to show respect.

This may sound very unpopular in our crazy 2020's, but even though I'm not a fan of our current POTUS, I still support him and will continue to do so. We, citizens of the United States of America, voted him into office and I'll do my best to give him my support.

And yes, I don't always agree with his policies and there are times I question his motives, but he is our president.

I've had COVID twice.

The first time was in March of 2020. I was bedridden for 4 days with coughing, a fever, and no energy. The second time was April of 2021. I was just too tired for 3 days, I went in and my doctor tested me for COVID as a precaution and told me I had it again.

Perhaps the previous infection gave me partial immunity to the second exposure and possible different strain

Same here... late 2019, the hospital had trouble identifying it, and the. It wasn’t until March of 2020, where they said what it was

The second time was December 2020 during the holidays... the flu-like systems was severe enough...104 temps... but after the fever broke, the worse was the respiratory, (coughing) I couldn’t stop... I know coughing is good, it loosing the ‘crap’ in your lungs... but the severity of the cough I can understand the mortality rate with Covid.

The worrisome part about a virus,of any kind,is it's ability to mutate quickly.Every generation of virus has many variants,and only the most successful survive,which means the most infectious and durable.India has many cases of Covid,so many variations are likely to occur.

The "crowns" are the variable part of the virus,which enable it to infect cells.The "stem" that holds the spike does not change very much.

Researchers are working on a vaccine that will attack the stem and indications are that it will be a universal vaccine,effective for nearly all corona-type viruses,including flu,Covid,and others.A lot of focus is being placed on this avenue of research and there are preliminary indications of some success in this area.

The universal vaccine seems to be the best possible defense.

"Learn from the past. Live for today. Hope for tomorrow"-- A Einstein

Wow, that's an excellent analysis of why the more contagious variants survive and thrive. Awesome!

I remember someone telling me this a while back, but they didn't explain why the more contagious mutations are prevalent as the virus comes to the end of it's lifecycle ... wait, did I just say that this is coming to the end of it's lifecycle??? I sure do hope so.

For now be concerned. There are still too many people in the US that are not vaccinated and refuse to be. They will most likely be the ones transmitting the disease.
The new variants should be watched closely. Expect more shutdowns, but more local and probably not state wide. Covid will end up being like a flu situation. Each year you will probably need a vaccine shot, but like the flu shot, it will be for multiple strains.

Another problem is longer term. People who have been infected seem to be having more health issues six months after they have "recovered". One woman who has HIV took over 160 days to recover from covid and the virus mutated a bunch of times. Think how many people have HIV and covid and the likely hood of those variants being passed on to others. Note that I'm not picking on HIV people as the virus is probably mutating with other diseases as well. Much more study needs to be done.

Another possibility, although hopefully not true, is that the governments are trying to kill off the older people to reduce the population numbers.

Another possibility, although hopefully not true, is that the ...

Ok, now that your speculating on possibilities..., here’s yet another one that will keep you up at night...

such as an unforeseen reaction from the vaccination that debilitates the vaccinated population, where the only ones who survive is unvaccinated population.

sure, it great to discuss and be aware, but one needs to live ones life without being in a manic panic like some were a year ago blaming others.

BINGO!

Just consider that most of our elected officials are lawyers. They typically do not have extensive education in either science or financial. And we wonder why our government is messed up?

In China they have to pass a lot of very difficult exams in order to hold a government position. While that's not as good as insisting on relevant positions being filled with people with relevant qualifications it's much better that for example the UK where the only qualification needed is the ability to get votes. We have had prime ministers here who have been brilliant "politicians" i.e. good at getting votes, but they have been diabolically bad for the country.

There should be movements everywhere demanding qualifications for politicians.

I'd be happy if our politicians could recite the three branches of government.

I know a former judge from China. I was told that the judge hears the case, makes a judgement and then there's an appeal (on the same day in the same court session). If he is found guilty and sentenced to death, he waits until the court session ends, then all the people sentenced to death are taken out of town and shot in the head. The judge must go with to verify the sentence is completed and signs the docs.

This isn't China from 1,000 years ago. This was very recent (the person I know is 55-60).

What do you think would happen to our crime rate if we had a similar process?

I have adjusted my lifestyle to all this for a long time. Yes, I am also tired of endless masks, of restrictions on activities and communication with other people. Initially, I was very depressed. Six months after the first outbreak, I began to read special books, surf the Internet, and did my best to improve my psychological state. Now I'm ready for anything. I resigned myself to the fact that this is part of our life and must be accepted. Regardless of what happens next, I am no longer afraid of the virus from India or from China. As the speaker said above, everything that we could do, we have already done. It only remains to wait

Thanks for your response. It's amazing how some people see the problem in front of them and do things to resolve it, while others are victims.

Glad to hear you have a very positive outlook on this.

I found https://studymoose.com/oppression with interesting articles. I read while I'm on the subway

I appreciate your honest feedback. I think most of us are feeling the same way you are. Though for me, I'm worried about another shut down. Not for my personal psyche - I can handle it. I'm worried about the economy. If we lose more small businesses, cripple the new ones that just started and spend $Trillions more on stimulus ... I don't think we'll be able to recover. We'll be terribly broken. I think the powers that be know this and that's why this time around, they're saying that we're not going to shut down again. Let's hope the new variants can be kept under control and we can get back to normal as quickly as possible.

Two weeks into the port shut down in China and I don't see any impact in my industry or at the stores I visit.

I've been to Home Depot, a local auto parts store, Ralph's grocery store, my tire shop, O'Reilly's Auto Parts and numerous restaurants. I didn't see any signs of shortages or empty shelves. Though prices seem to have gone up again!

Here in Los Angeles, many people are still wearing masks. I went on a hike this weekend and a few people were wearing masks. As I drive through town, some are wearing masks when they're walking, jogging or bicycling. At the stores, some wear masks. At the restaurants, some wear masks. At the bank, some wear masks. And in the car, some are wearing masks.

I was in Orange County a couple times and it's much different. Very few wear masks and even in the restaurants, some servers don't wear a mask. The cooks don't wear masks. Though at Home Depot, about 2/3 were wearing a mask.

At my office, we still wear a mask when we're not at our own desk or if we're with a client.

With the Delta variant cases growing, I think we can agree that it has the potential to derail the reopening of our economy.

The MSM isn't running with it. Why? Yes, there are stories out there, but the doom and gloom fear mongering of 2020 just isn't happening.

My take. The media is burned out. People are burned out. Even though there's a real threat from Delta, Lambda, etc, we're not overreacting. Many areas have brought back masks (Los Angeles County has one for being in public indoors).

If you are Alfred E. Neuman, you don't need to worry at all. If you are unvaccinated, you need to worry a lot. If you are vaccinated, the matter is less clear. (Indeed, a moving target.)

Those who are determined to seek confusion are likely to succeed.

It appears the ‘experts’ are succeeding.

Hey Tornado,

I'm not sure if you know a lot about mRNA vaccines, but I hope you do. This stuff about vaccines becoming less effective with time, which then allows more virus to be present in the body vs an unvaccinated person. What do you think about it? Dr Malone seems to be a well learned and reliable source. Though he mentions worst case, it's still something we need to consider. At least that's my take.

Any input is greatly appreciated!

That "logic" makes no sense.

While a vaccinated person's resistance to the virus might decrease over time, it still ought to remain greater than an unvaccinated person's resistance.

What also doesn’t make sense is having vaccines be administrated like antibiotics were in the 1950’s and 1960’s with very little or no discretion. With maybe the excuse to be on the safe side.

While still keeping separate of the difference between an infection and a virus.

Another good point. Yesterday, I was speaking to a good friend of ours who is an RN. She speaks to a lot of doctors and the odd thing is that many doctors have not been vaccinated. She used a similar analogy as yours with antibiotics and the "stronger" bugs that are resistant. She says that we've indirectly created these new monsters.

This is an area I'm torn - do we vaccinate everyone to reach herd immunity? Or do we vaccinate the susceptible to protect them and let the strong create their own immunity - a natural one?

Does anyone know if there was a vaccine for other virus pandemics? SARS? Hong Kong Flu, Spanish Flu, Asian Flu, H1N1? That may be a good place to start - use previous results.

One would think that this doesn’t need to be said… but it does…

Viruses like bacteria evolve to live and reproduce. And only the strong survive and pass on its strengths to its offspring.

It should, but he is an expert. I am not an expert in his field, so I have to respect his opinion.

I will comment on something I do have some very solid data. I'm an expert in my field - I've delivered over 4,000 vehicles in the 19+ years I've been in the industry. Prior to the pandemic, people would accept the fact that I'm an expert and they would listen to my advice. I never give someone an ultimatum - buy XYZ or else. Never! I do guide them, but the decision is theirs - it's their money. Since the pandemic, I've noticed that my clients aren't listening to my advice as much as normal. In fact, some are going against my advice and going out on their own and getting taken at the dealership. Just last week, I told my client that it makes no sense to buy a used Civic, because it's almost the same price as a new one. I went over some examples of new ($29K all in vs used pricing $27K all in). She told me she agreed and would call me with the order. You guessed it, no call back and a nice surprise on Monday - she went out and bought a lower model (Sport vs EX-L) and paid $31K for a used 2019. A brand new 2022 Sport is mine for $26.5K all in. When I told her this, she came up with an excuse - when she was at the dealership, she drove the car and liked it. Her sister told her to get it, so she bought the car. When she got home, she knew she made a mistake and she called the dealer to cancel, but of course, he said no. Because the loan amount is too high, we can't lend her the money and now on top of overpaying, she's stuck with a bad loan from the dealer. This is just one example - there are ton more.

I guess what I'm saying is that we have experts in their field, yet it's become fashionable to question the experts. I'm not saying we should blindly follow, but shouldn't we be more accepting. I feel this pandemic has caused us to question good information. Like my client, who is definitely not an expert, it would've made more sense to listen to someone who can give good advice.

Update:

Here in LA County, our Covid cases are increasing and so are hospitalizations. Deaths are still low, which I think is something the Delta variant is known for. Masks have been required for the last few weeks - most people are abiding. That's a good thing, right?

Today, on either CNBC or Bloomberg, I saw a headline that said herd immunity is 80-90% with the Delta variant. What???

Let's hope and pray they don't shut down the economy again.

Good example. Keeping in mind that it’s a escalating battle.

Good analogy.

A question regarding Dr Malone. Based on his studies of mRNA, what do you think about his recent warning about ADE? Is it something we should be concerned about.

I am a true layman when it comes to mRNA, however I am interested in the topic.

I think it's good to look into things in depth. Blindly following someone else's advice without doing your own research isn't a good thing.

I won't claim to be an expert in this field - I'm a curious observer who is trying to make sense of things. It's so tough now - in many ways much more difficult due to the abundance of deceptive and inaccurate information being passed around.

As it’s turning out,… During the COVID-19 pandemic and still continuing, tell me one person that didn’t promote misinformation.