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Warp Drive Just Beyond the Horizon

01/30/2022 7:54 AM

If we had a functioning warp drive and built a ship to travel beyond light speed, where do you think we should go first? ...and why?

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01/30/2022 9:45 PM

That might be perpetually true, like free beer tomorrow.

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01/31/2022 12:44 AM

Okay

I put in a lot of time with forward looking predictive analysis on this ;-)

First place you should go is faster than the speed of light , nip forwards in time and get a few photos of the year 2200 tech boom , do a bit of shopping at www.WalMart-new-materials science.com , bring them back and set up your research center.

kidding , but never say never.

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01/31/2022 5:51 AM

The patent office, (before Musk gets there)

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01/31/2022 6:46 AM

Going forward in time to gain an advantage might open another whole can of worms though, if you alter the timeline and end up in an alternative reality your information might lead to disaster, no guarantee's....and travelling in time would spark a oneupmanship of competition for control of the destiny of the human race, dangerous territory...We would need to appoint Time Lords who operate under a strict set of rules who would guard our present timeline and enforce any attempts to alter it...anyway certainly the first trip would be to see if we could in fact travel in time...

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01/31/2022 1:02 PM

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02/01/2022 10:18 AM

Undefined: <...we...>.

<...Just Beyond the Horizon...> is probably a little too close.

It doesn't really matter. Coming back unscathed is what matters.

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02/01/2022 4:46 PM

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02/02/2022 2:07 AM

Achieving and surpassing c, is only possible in today's theories, not in reality. Space does not impede any velocity. The only thing that limits velocity, is the acceleration of the moving entity itself, whether it be mass or field. EM radiation is always accelerated to c. The trouble is, we can not not add to that acceleration.

So, until we find a faster accelerator than c, or learn how to add and multiply c, we stay close to home.

Space limits nothing. If we ever did find a faster source, we still could not use it effectively......because our bodies couldn't take it. All of our travel time would be accelerating and decelerating. There would probably be months of acceleration and deceleration just to the closest star. Which would be much more strenuous and punishing than a trip to Mars today.

And 3 or 4 times c would become boring very quickly. We need at least,100 times c just to poke around a little.

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02/02/2022 2:22 AM

It's true in the past that many things were deemed impossible, only to become routine at some future time....It's only impossible until it's not....it's just a matter of time...

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02/02/2022 3:26 AM

Nothing is impossible.

How many savants does it take to screw in a lightbulb ?
Dunno , how would they get inside it anyway ?

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02/02/2022 3:50 AM

Consensus theories and thought have always impeded science. It's a historical fact. Franklin and Faraday had to contend with it. It's much more difficult today. It's like a religion. Our present theories of mass and matter, the standard model and QM, has not allowed us to stir plasma in a pot for 40+ years. Our cosmic theories keep requiring more entities to explain our observations, and still fail our gravity simulations. The theories talk, but fail the walk. I don't believe our math concepts are explaining physical reality very well. Of course many others believe it's our only truth. No matter the history of it.

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02/02/2022 3:54 AM

Buy yourself a ticket to ride outside the envelope ?

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02/02/2022 7:09 AM

Single or return (just askin')?

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02/02/2022 11:13 PM

This is easy…

The “nearby” planets — Mars and Venus - are *many* months away from Earth with conventional rocketry.

Working with these two locations will allow any hyper-light speed technology to be verified with conventional backups in case of problems.

Only *after* the technology is debugged should we consider extra-solar exploration.

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02/03/2022 12:47 AM

I think one of the problems would be determining when to stop,with no visible reference points.

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02/03/2022 1:22 AM

One could still detect light in the forward direction, only it would be at a super higher natural frequency, and need super fast detection methods, but it would be there. Climbing up a beam of light, would be like detecting gamma waves. Like climbing a moving latter, the rung F, depends on latter speed......plus your climbing speed.

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02/03/2022 7:34 AM

Einstein said that we could not communicate or observe anything faster than C.It is our observation limit,except for "Spooky action at a distance",so there are things that ignore the speed limit of C.

If it is not observable,or detectable,for all intents it does not exist.

Even dark matter must conform to the local speed limit.

According to current theory, space-time itself expanded faster than C;a giant bubble that encloses us within it's skin.

There could be complete universes all around us,where the minimum speed limit is C.

An analogy is a checkerboard,with the blocks linked at the corners,and possible to travel from one corner to the other diagonally ,but not horizontally from one block to the other. The + C and -C would be alternate blocks side by side.

There may be,must be, things beyond our threshold of observation and imagination;after all consider our size relative to the visible universe:Only our ego make us believe we can totally understand the big picture.

We keep discovering things that have existed since the beginning of time,and exalt as we should, in the discoveries,but we should remember our place in the universe,and never say that anything is impossible.

The limits of possibility are expanding constantly,like the universe.

Our reality is expanding with our knowledge of the universe,but does not limit it.

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02/03/2022 11:41 AM

It is impossible for an empty set to have elements.

It is impossible to teach the unteachable.

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02/03/2022 12:43 PM

Go to the nearest exoplanet that looks Earth-like. And keep checking for more planets we could live on. If, that is, we want to perpetuate our species...which is another topic.

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02/04/2022 9:30 AM

There was a young lady named Bright
Whose speed was far faster than light;
She set out one day
In a relative way
And returned on the previous night.

There is the small difficulty of FTL breaking causality. Sooner or later (or maybe both) someone is going to take a trip in a warp bubble and come back to kill his young grandfather.

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02/06/2022 10:14 PM

Some of the popular science write-ups on this are a bit exuberant.

Here is some info that is a bit more down-to-earth.

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/329631-scientists-havent-created-a-warp-bubble-but-theyre-a-bit-closer-to-testing-one

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02/07/2022 8:19 AM

Thanks. That makes much more sense. I was surprised to see that somebody else has made an acoustic black hole for research and that it emits energy just like Hawking energy.

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02/07/2022 5:14 PM

Because the speed of light is always measured as 'c', it means that time duration is different for observers in relative motion. Because motion is relative, each sees the other as moving and each sees the other having slow-motion time.

If faster than light communication or travel were possible, observer A could send a message to B, B could answer it, and A could receive the reply before he had sent the original message. A could then decide not to send his message, resulting in a closed time loop contradiction, breaking causality.

Arvin Ash, as always, explains it clearly (fast forward to 8:30...)

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02/11/2022 6:29 AM

Travelling outside one's future light cone means that whatever one experiences will have no impact on the current future. Therefore it matters not to the current future whether, to use Schrödinger's terms, the cat dog is alive or dead; it only matters if the dog can return alive to the current light cone.

It may have been done already, of course...

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02/11/2022 7:42 AM

To what object is C referenced to, in order to assert a maximum speed?

Seemingly impossible things are possible in the quantum world,such as a quantum computer solving a problem before it even runs.

The impossible today will be taken for granted in the future.

FTL will be regarded as elementary subject material to kindergarten children.

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02/11/2022 7:46 AM

Coincidentally London Bridge used to be the location of a bizarre "time distortion" (OK I'm exaggerating a bit).

For a year or so I used to commute to Lewisham. From London Bridge the trains used to leave about once every five minutes, and, they were all about five minutes late. So every morning I joined dozens of other commuters rushing from one platform to another when the train which should have already departed was announced over the tannoy.

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02/11/2022 9:21 AM

I never worry about tomorrow..it has already occurred on the other side of the world.

When going west to east in a jet you can arrive before you left.

In some parts of the world,you can merely step over from today into tomorrow and back again as many times as you want or vice versa .

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02/11/2022 8:19 PM

There's no rule that says you can't change the future, in fact it happens all the time...clearly we are constantly changing events that may have happened in a future time line...attitude and mood as well as happenstance would seem to roll the dice everyday to determine the future....There would seem to be a general direction that trudges on though, like if you didn't do it somebody else would have, sort of thing, so individually we might not have that great of an impact on the future, maybe just a time variable, a day a week a year sooner or later...the efficiency of a cog in the wheel of time...

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02/12/2022 4:26 AM

The car makers or the Han's dilemma.
1,000kW = very quick = great
1,000kW + large tree = very quick stop = not so great
Sooo, you need brakes, ones that work without exceeding a "G-force" that kills people. OK - do a "U-turn" and accelerate back in the opposite direction ... but ...
So, ignoring the time it would take to accelerate said hoomuns up to 299,792,458m/s what would be the time taken to bring said hoomuns back to a speed at which they could disembark without the aid of a fire hose and buckets?
A Solo dilemma. That's Solo, Han Solo ...
"For Han to take off from Mos Eisley and accelerate at 3 g's to half the speed of light would take him two and a half months—hardly the makings of an exciting movie. Even at 9 g's, it would take him nineteen days to reach half the speed of light, though he'd be dead long before the ship reached that speed."*
Note though, that our gallant Solo is only accelerating to ½ the speed of light in that quote, oh the dilemma.
Of course old Han's boat was pretty large, clearly more than a tonne of mass, which would require a force of ... 2/4*5+7-27fifty/five hundred manyies*heapsathousands ... I need a beer or glass of wine ... sustained over a lengthy period. Hope he's got his petrol card.

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02/12/2022 4:31 AM

And the stopping is just as tricky as the starting ....

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under a strict set of rules

In the present political climate!!! With all the "antis" (vax & mask), that would be a remarkable achievement. Have any of the anti maskers noticed that a mask warms and humidifies the air you are breathing? Runners wear a mask just for that purpose when the weather is cold.

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in today's theories, not in reality.

Seems like Einstein had similar difficulties when he first proposed his theories!

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02/12/2022 5:00 PM

Maybe by going into the light bulb thru the 4th dimension!!

But that's not just a quip. Could the 4th dimension be somehow used to achieve warp drive? If we could learn how to utilize it.

And if warp drive is achieved, is there any chance of a collision with something in the way--a planet maybe?

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02/12/2022 5:09 PM

come back to kill his young grandfather

And if he kills his Grandfather before his Grandfather has kids, what happens to him???

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02/12/2022 7:19 PM

This is true! Every action you take changes the future. And every one of use takes an action, so we're all changing the future. Even if you do nothing, you're still changing the future - your inaction is actually taking action to do nothing!

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02/12/2022 7:27 PM

The first place we should go is to the METAVERSE! The Universe is old school and boring - been there, done that. Solana? It's the fastest, right, so the METAVERSE on Solana would be fantastic ... however our current version of Oculus will be so old school, that you may not be able to enter the real METAVERSE - kinda like trying to run a computer on Windows XP in 2022!

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02/13/2022 10:33 AM

Instead of Casimir plates placed a critical distance apart,why not concentric Casimir spheres?This would create a uniform,self amplifying field in all directions, similar to batteries in series,Anything within the inner sphere would be shielded from space time, and inertia effects,would it not?The warping of the spheres(or other shape) could control direction of travel.A spherical shape would not necessarily be required,just a concentric layered enclosure,like an onion skin,and any shape could be used.

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