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Transformer connection

08/08/2022 7:39 PM

Hi,

I am just wondering what will happen if the center tap of the primary of a transformer is connected to neutral and both outer leads are connected to phase.

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Re: Transformer connection.

08/08/2022 8:42 PM

Here's what I think...

The magnetization of the transformer core from one half primary would cancel out the magnetization from the other half because the currents are flowing in opposite directions. Only the resistance of the wiring would limit the current.

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08/09/2022 10:20 AM

You forgot to mention a critical point. Since no net magnetic currents exist in the core the secondary circuit will get no power.

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08/09/2022 11:51 AM

Since there is no magnetic current, Can I expect that the core will not get hot? on the other hand, since there is no variation of flux and therefore there is no induced emf, can I assume that the coil will be heated up depending on the dc resistance of the coil?

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08/09/2022 12:15 PM

The primary windings will still produce a modest amount of heat that will heat the core by thermal conduction. The core will have far less heat than a properly wired transformer transferring maximum power to a load.

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08/09/2022 4:33 AM

"and both outer leads are connected to phase."

Both to one phase, or, to different phases?

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08/09/2022 7:35 AM

Don't forget the possibility of a split phase connection.

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08/09/2022 9:07 AM

Both to the same phase

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08/12/2022 6:15 PM

The circuit protective device(s) will operate, thereby disconnecting the fault.

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08/09/2022 11:48 PM

I think the core would get much warmer than normal full load op. A normal connected transformer, with no load, will draw very little current, because of primary inductance. The inductance is countered when the load draws, letting more current in primary.

As stated, the proposed connection, the primary will draw extreme current, Because half the primary is now countering the inductance, and only resistance is limiting current. It should blow a fuse or burn primary insulation. So, the core should get hotter, even though it might be a short period. If the outside leads are on the same phase.

On second thought, please try it ....with appropriate precautions. On the conventional transform action, the counter field has an inverse pole field. But with the center tap, the M poles are in direct opposition. Throw a resistor in the primary and check for open voltage on secondary. Very interesting question. I might be over thinking it. I've seen voltage taps, but not center taps on primaries. A center tap primary on a two phase(180) input, shouldn't draw any current.

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08/10/2022 8:24 AM

Is this what you mean?

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08/11/2022 4:48 AM

No, I think he really means this:-

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08/12/2022 6:22 AM

In that case,there will be current flow thru line side to the neutral,similar to two paralleled transformers.

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08/12/2022 11:57 AM

Dear guru HiTechRedNeck,

i respectfully disagree. Two parallel connected transformers do not share a common core. In this case the windings are shared by the same core and the the current in each windings are such that the magnetic field generated by each winding will oppose each other and will have a field nullifying effect which does not happen in the case of two separate transformers connected in parallel.

Current will flow from line side to neutral as you indicated but will not be similar to that of in parallel connected transformers. The current in this case may be equal to the sum of current through each winding (line voltage / DC resistance of the winding).

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08/10/2022 4:38 PM

It may cause the circuit breaker to trip due to a possible high circulating current caused by twice as much voltage being fed to a few windings of the transformer..

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08/11/2022 10:29 AM

"a few windings of the transformer.." -- Please explain why only a few windings.

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08/11/2022 11:01 AM

The length of the turn by turn windings are normally not the same unless they used the special bifilar type of windings..

In the Bifilar type, two wires are wound together in parallel, side by side from the very start up to the finish end..

As the windings of transformers are wound, the circumference or diameter increases in proportion to the number of turns, which in turn also lengthen the magnet wires used to complete a designated number of turns..

The same reason why every winding layers differs in the length of wires together with the corresponding wire resistances..

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08/10/2022 5:31 PM

I don't know what this fellow is doing, but I hope he's not trying to reverse a line to 12 VAC transformer...........trying to get a thousand volts out of it.

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08/11/2022 10:05 AM

Submit a simple drawing to show us exactly what you mean.

Your text explanation in ambiguous,and subject to various interpretations.

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08/11/2022 10:23 AM

Or the OP could just simply identify which, if any, of the posted drawings is what they meant.

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08/11/2022 10:25 AM

Please refer to Randall's drawing in reply # 13.

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08/11/2022 12:48 PM

I would rather hear it form the original poster,otherwise,it is just another opinion.

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08/12/2022 5:15 AM

If you look at Thankan's post#7: then it's fairly certain that he was the original poster.

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08/12/2022 6:16 AM

You are right. My mistake.

Multi-tapped primary and secondary transformers are common to allow for voltage selection,both on input and output.

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08/23/2022 7:16 AM

It is difficult to be certain.

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