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Electromagnetic Spectrum As We Know It - Is That All There Is?

12/17/2007 4:38 PM

We have nutured the electromagnetic spectrum beginning with the late 18th century and with good success, serving our needs and economy. We've discovered broadband the limitations and with little work-arounds, such as line of sight and noise, not to mention a likely coming of space travel and a certain need for communications with spacecraft on a real-time basis. Where we are today is each party (e.g. NASA) waiting minutes, days, weeks, months for a response at those greater distances.

The other issue is dispersion of radio frequency transmitted energy as it propagates outward thru space, only to become more-so weak and difficult/impossible to recover at some point.

I suggest that there IS another plane of technogy for this medium that exists. We've just overlooked it (being satisfied with 'what we have' for so many years?). I am so inspired and believe it MUST exist! I put it simply because we haven't seen the forest because of all the trees.

There just may be a 'meld' concept between where NASA and others have been doing studies with vehicle propulsion. Perhaps within that, they find a clue that may/could/should lead to how to vary/alter/use the speed of light (as we know it).

I will share this with you: early in circa 1980-ish I had an idea that popped into my head. Anti-gravity. An anti-gravity machine! An employee handed me subsequetly a copy of Omni (1982 issue?) that he insisted I read (why, I don't know). An article published was the exact concept in detail. Think I had maybe been so inspired in a dream. And NO! I am not one to think that an alien/ET planted it into my brain. I'm not into that. My head-think was that it could be powered by very little power, like from a simple D-cell battery. Honestly, I did not make that up.

The other related: Too, I had gotten some inspiration (don't know where it came from) that it would cost only about $100K to develop and prototype. Although quite weird, but this is now. Lord knows.

My only question for myself is: how did I get the same concept as that other guy did. Same time-line. Where did he/it go? I can't find any subsequent reference.

I would like to entertain any and all serious comments here, as I am serious. Please and to ask that all other irrelevant/comments be withheld. Makes for others interested easier reading, for one. Thank you in advance.

Do take note: There just may be a common denominator about it all, but not limited to, that I suggest and entertain your intelligence with here. Think about just that/keep it in-mind.

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Re: Electromagnetic Spectrum As We Know It - Is That All There Is?

12/17/2007 4:48 PM

Okay, I'm willing to listen with an open mind, but what you've written is without substance. What is your driving theory other than "I am so inspired and believe it MUST exist!" and what series of experimentation do you propose to verify your hypothesis?

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Re: Electromagnetic Spectrum As We Know It - Is That All There Is?

12/17/2007 11:29 PM

The odds of things POINTING toward "synchronicity" or a "collective unconscious" are not all that slim. It happens all the time. There are LOTS of people out there thinking endlessly about things all the time. Enjoy the process.

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Re: Electromagnetic Spectrum As We Know It - Is That All There Is?

12/18/2007 5:38 AM

There are always plenty of triggers for idle thoughts. HG Wells wrote about applying anti-gravity in his novel "the first men on the moon" in 1901, so these 'dramatic insights' were but 80-years behind first publication.

Similarly, the coincidence is unremarkable. If 1 in 10 people has this thought but once in their lifetimes, and 1 in 10 of those communicates it to just one other person, then one person in every three-million will hear about another's insight within a week of having the thought. That's one person every week, and if they took all took the coincidence seriously we'd be inundated. (Of course, application of anti-gravity is but one example of a 'conceptual dramatic insight' - it just happens to be the case in point).

Not only is there is no known physical basis for such a mechanism, but analysis of the consequences of such a mechanism results in all sorts of conceptual problems - reduction of entropy being but one of these.

In my humble opinion, methods for applying anti-gravity are blindingly obvious* - if only it existed. Therefore, these thoughts do not belong in a technical forum unless and until you have more than an inkling of how to create it.

*Handling the safety issues could be a different matter, however; for example, I for one don't fancy the thought of a steady stream of air heading for outer space.

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Re: Electromagnetic Spectrum As We Know It - Is That All There Is?

12/18/2007 4:45 PM

I am all for anti-gravity devices, but unfortunately I dont know of one single indivdual that has come forth with a viable source for generation of an anti-gravity field. Does anyone on CR4 know of such a phenomena that would demonstrate that anti-gravity could exist?

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12/18/2007 5:04 PM

Super-symmetry postulates that it could exist (anti-graviton), but it is as of yet completely un-detected by any experimental means. Hell, we haven't even been able to verify the existence of "normal" gravitons - yet. So the jury's still out as far as I know.

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12/18/2007 5:25 PM

Agreed that in principle anti-gravitons could exist*, that repel ordinary matter but attract each-other. This uses anti in the sense of being of opposite sign - just like electric and magnetic poles.

However - these bear no relation at all to the free power-generation proposals of HG Wells and followers such as OMNI. All of their schemes rely on screening or inverting existing gravitational fields - and any such effect would contradict nearly every tenet of the physical modelling that has produced such accurate predictions for so long. That is not to say that it definitely can't exist - just that you would either need a physical demonstration or a consistent theory that accurately predicted the same as standard physics for normal situations but also predicted gravity shields. And, as I wrote previously, there is no purpose in writing about schemes that rely on such effects unless and until you have a good basis for their existence (other than as a basis for 'human' stories or for pure amusement, of course)

*or at least could have existed in early phases of the universe before other symmetries such as antimatter were also broken.

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12/18/2007 8:23 PM

When a particle of matter collides with a particle of anti-matter, they annihilate each other. That much we know. Matter exists in "space". Does anti-matter exist in anti-space?

If so, then can space and anti-space come together and both be annihilated? Or is it a case of "Ne'r the twain shall meet"?

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12/18/2007 10:37 PM

I have had half-baked musings along those very same lines. Since we have not heard back from OP Bill since he opened the thread, I feel safe in commenting that since we both have had the thought than it must be so!

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12/19/2007 12:32 AM

Im interesting. although dont understand all about it.

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12/19/2007 9:10 AM

There seems to be some confusion of terminology here - anti-matter has opposite charge etc. to its matter equivalent - but the mass (and gravitational effects) are the same. A photon, having no charge or spin is its own anti-particle.

Gravitons themselves are only hypothetical, and the theories that postulate them all have problems. In any case, they would have zero mass and charge, so the anti-graviton would also be its own anti-particle.

What is being hypothesised is an object with negative mass, which I'll abbreviate for now as a NMO.

As mass is proportional to energy, a NMO would have negative energy. Its existence would presumably imply the existence negative-light, which would cause the cooling of an object when it is absorbed. Such a phenomenon would be equivalent to reversing the flow of time.

There are other issues with particles that have negative gravity; for example, although negative gravity is not absolutely forbidden by the theory of general relativity, all known solutions that exhibit anti-gravitational properties are unstable.

A speculative thought: if NMOs existed, it would take large amounts of energy to bring a particle and its equivalent NMO close together - and this would result in the annihilation of both particles without the release of any energy.

In any case, as pointed out by guest, the "generators" that were referenced did not propose to use NMOs, but would rely on shielding normal objects from gravity. I'm not certain whether this could be possible theoretically - but the energy input required would inevitably exceed that which could be recovered.

Quote from Wikipedia: "In General Relativity gravity is not a force in the traditional sense of the word, but the result of the geometry of space itself. These geometrical solutions always cause attractive "forces". Under GR, anti-gravity is highly unlikely, except under contrived circumstances that are regarded as unlikely or impossible."

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Re: Electromagnetic Spectrum As We Know It - Is That All There Is?

01/05/2008 3:49 AM

When matter is accelerated to relativistic speeds, speeds near the speed of light. Their change in inertia create a distortion in space and time that could be understood as a graviton wave.

Ionization is the only common phenomena that readily accelerates masses to sufficient speed. Large scale thermal ionizations like atomic explosions produce enough cohesive ionization in along a given vector to produce extremely noticeable EMP's which are tangible result of a tachyon wave passing through a conductor. Some of the blast effects come as a result of a the graviton wave generated in the device.

Graviton and Tachyon pulses are also produced by common ionizations like those in a florescent bulb. I have experimented fairly extensively with several types of device like this and have generated and recorded graviton pulses and observed the effects of small scale waves I believe to be tachyon waves causing motor boating in a variety of electronic equipment and circuits, since these currents appear everywhere in the near neighborhood of such a device they are easy to observe and record with an oscilloscope. Conclusively tying them to a tachyon wave induced variation in time is another matter. These waves distort function of the very means used in attempting to measure them!

Over coming the distortion in space and time caused by the mass of the earth would require creating and sustaining a standing wave in space and time mechanically tethered to a load that was as large or larger in magnitude than the curvature caused by the earth's mass. That is a very demanding set of design requirements. But, I actually think I can do it. Getting the research funded is another question. If there are any technically sophisticated, financially secure individuals out there who would like to visit outer space in comfort and with style let me know. We should talk. Seriously...

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01/05/2008 11:59 AM

Either you are pulling our legs, or this is self-deception. The power dissipated inside a fluorescent lamp is equivalent to a mass-transfer of about 0.1-pico-gramme/second, and the external effect of this would be equivalent to about 0.1-pico-gramme force distributed over the whole of the Earth's mass. That means that the chances of detecting a gravitational wave from a fluorescent tube is as near to zero as makes no difference. So far as I know, every measurable effect from a fluorescent tube can be satisfactorily (i.e. quantitatively) explained without reference to hypothetical effects.

On the subject of visiting space in comfort - Arthur Clarke described (really) how that might be achievable many years ago - all that is missing is the materials technology (shame).

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01/06/2008 6:12 PM

The devices I was referring to only use florescent tubes because they are low cost and specifically designed for easy ionization of the gas within. In order to generate graviton or tachyon waves of sufficient power to be observable a very low impedance coil or two must be wound around the tube and driven with a fairly respectable signal. 70 watts forward power with near perfect coupling to inhibit back emf is required. At about 150 watts forward things get quite interesting.

This research was very interesting and has some practical applications but causes very very broadband radio interference. Like shielding against EMP's a simple Faraday cage does not contain this form of emission so FCC and and other more serious governmental agencies took a somewhat unfriendly interest in my work and so I stopped.

A colleague who was replicating my work reported unexplained vibration followed by levitation followed by self-destruction of his plasma antenna. However, this type of plasma is not appropriate for sustained levitation because that requires a standing wave not an oscillating one, at least according to my understanding of things.

None the less I do have a specific means in mind and I think it should work. There is a highly similar device that achieved controlled flight in the late 1960's but that device has a fatal flaw that makes sustained flight control basically impossible and the failure mode sends the thing on an uncontrolled flight into outer-space. I believe my new approach solves all the problems associated with this device and should result in a craft, space or terrestrial with an acceptable safety factor.

So, I am not going to bet the farm on this one, but, I am fairly serious about seeking funding. While building a complete working model capable of controlled flight would of course be very expensive the basic "engine" I'm considering is not very hard to build and so a test stand model, a proof of concept, would be worth the time and effort considering the importance of the researches objectives.

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Re: Electromagnetic Spectrum As We Know It - Is That All There Is?

01/07/2008 5:47 AM

I wouldn't bet an ear of corn on this - never mind my farm.

The EM radiation sounds as if the Faraday cage was incomplete. The most common omission would be the RF filters in the supply lines - and these would need to be properly coupled through a narrow gap in the cage.

The levitation sounds like vibration or magnetic effects (coupling to the choke?) - I can't comment further without more details of the overall set-up.

The FCC would be interested in protecting the spectral use of other parties. I can't see that other agencies would be likely to become involved unless you were in a location where EM interference would cause undue hazards (flight-path, hospitals, etc.)

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