Previous in Forum: PROCEDURE TO CARRY OUT TEMPERATURE RISE TEST FOR CAST RESIN POWER TRANSFORMERS   Next in Forum: Removing White Rust on Hot Dipped Galvanized Pipe
Close
Close
Close
28 comments
Guru

Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 2446
Good Answers: 60

Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR?

12/09/2010 6:00 AM

Britain has coldest winter for 100 years,

So is global warming Rubbish

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1336705/UK-big-freeze-Army-standby-coldest-December-100-years.html

Register to Reply
Pathfinder Tags: Cold weather global warming
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Comments rated to be Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive ratings to make them "good answers".

Comments rated to be "almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, rate them!
Associate

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: currently Shanghai China
Posts: 40
Good Answers: 4
#1

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/09/2010 6:12 AM

One of the first predicted results of global warming is that the icecaps melt and release all their fresh water into the oceans which is suppose to alter the current that supplies the moderation of temperature to a rather substantial part of the world. The icecaps are receding already. We are also experiencing some of the worst heat waves on record. Maybe these are precursors to the end or maybe they are a natural cycle of weather. Find out in a couple of years maybe.

__________________
I seek to know that which is in me, that I may know me, when next we meet.
Register to Reply
3
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 467
#2

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/09/2010 6:52 AM

It's now called global climate change.

The earth's climate, historically speaking has never been static......periods of warmth followed by periods of extreme cold.

The polar ice caps are what's left from the last ice age, and they are indeed receding, as the earth has been warming for thousands of years.

The trick for Al Gore and the rest of the global warming crowd, is to tie this warming trend to man created carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. From there, a global carbon exchange will be set up, in which Goldman Sachs will play a major role. Without actually reducing anything, carbon dioxide will be traded like stocks. The players in this scam stand to make hundreds of billions of dollars by facilitating and shuffling the trade of carbon credits. Remember, there will be no actual reduction.

If they are successful, it will probably be the single biggest ripoff scam in the history of civilized man.

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Register to Reply Good Answer (Score 3)
Anonymous Poster
#3
In reply to #2

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/09/2010 7:54 AM

If Al Gore wanted to get rich (isn't he rather wealthy already), wouldn't he have been better off staying in public service, ditching his efforts at public good, installing cronies in high places, etc. I find it sad that people question his motives when he really is giving up the good life (granted he's not poor, but he certainly could be turning his millions into billions by denying global warming, twould be far easier) to fight for something in which he believes wholeheartedly. People are far too willing to condemn the man without facing that simple fact.

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 467
#4
In reply to #3

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/09/2010 8:13 AM

There is no money to be made in denying global warming. I'm sorry you've been so misled. There is a man made catastrophe in the making, but it is built from lies and greed, not carbon. If Al Gore truly cared, he would be planting trees, not hoaxes.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/05/exclusive-estimate-carbon-footprint-of.html

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gore-hits-the-waves-with-a-massive-new-houseboat/

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster
#5
In reply to #4

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/09/2010 8:19 AM

My point was that there are plenty of easier ways to make money. Carbon-tax, Cap and Trade, etc. are not easy, not sure things, and as far as money makers go, kind of silly. When you talk about them being conspiratorial, the only image I get is Dr. Evil, "One, MILLION dollars!"

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 467
#6
In reply to #5

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/09/2010 8:46 AM

Okay guest, here's the way the carbon exchange, that Al Gore and others are pushing so hard for, will work. I'm making up the numbers for the sake of simplicity.

Company A creates 5 tons per year of CO2, with a max. allowable of 8 tons.

Company B creates 11 tons of CO2 per year and also has a max. allowable of 8 tons.

Company B will have two choices, either pay heavy fines, or purchase the excess CO2 output from company A.

Al Gore, Goldman Sachs, et. al. will set up and maintain the entity responsible for facilitating these exchanges on a global scale and will receive commissions on every single trade.

This scheme will create billionaires literally, out of thin air, with no overall improvement to the atmosphere.

The initial cash outlay to put this all in place will require little more than buildings, people and computers. There are no raw materials involved and nothing will ever actually trade hands between parties.

Considering the amount of money that will be flowing, it doesn't get much easier.

Do some reading on this guest........knowledge is freedom.

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 2446
Good Answers: 60
#7
In reply to #6

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/09/2010 9:34 AM

Hi its a silly system that al Gore is suggesting because the CO2 is still being produced but it looks good on paper,

So long as one company can purchase surplus production there will never be any incentive to reduce the output.

But as you say the Al Gore system will make some people a lot of money.

Put the planet first encourage reduction or research into conversion,

Either do it right or dnt bother.

Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster
#8
In reply to #6

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/09/2010 9:48 AM

There are far more efficient means of creating trading systems, funds, etc. than to go through the effort to create a 'legal' trading system to siphon off trade fees. Why not lump a group of high risk mortgages together, pay off a fund rating agency to falsify the risk level then sell them to Lehman? It would be far easier, lower profile and you'd make billions much quicker. The point is that Al Gore is going through a hell of a lot of effort if all he's motivated by is getting rich quick!

I'll agree, Cap and Trade isn't the best option. But it's a place to start. It still gives some incentive to lower carbon emissions. Can you offer a better means to reduce human emissions of carbon into the atmosphere?

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 467
#9
In reply to #8

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/09/2010 10:05 AM

First of all CO2 has not been proven to be the culprit.

The US has reduced our carbon footprint by off shoring almost all manufacturing, that's working out great!

While smarter people than Al Gore are working on reducing emissions, he can use his cult of personality to get people around the planet to plant trees and other vegetation, for which CO2 is food. It won't earn him any money, but it will be a much better contribution than what he's up to right now..............Oh, I think he could stop building mansions for himself too, he's got enough now.

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 467
#10
In reply to #8

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/09/2010 10:35 AM

Do you like math? Check this out.

My family uses an average of 966 kWh of electricity per month.

Al Gore's average in 06 was 18,400 kWh per month, just for the Tennessee house, this doesn't include the new California mansion, private planes, limos, etc.

Now, can you imagine if all 3 billion people on earth could afford to live like Al?

I think the entire planet would be laid to waste in less than a decade......don't put too much faith in this guy.

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: City of Light
Posts: 3943
Good Answers: 182
#27
In reply to #10

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/10/2010 6:20 AM

I totally share your opinion about the "defender of the earth" he was not as healthy as he wanted to be and after loosing the elections he tried to find a way to make people speak about him and make as much as possible more MOOOONEY!

This graph (blue line) was obtained by a very serious scientist Mr.Grudd analysing the trees in a Scandinavian country. It is considered by the "defenders" as one of the most valid proofs that temperatures go high. But if an engineer and not a "high level scientist" dealing with our future would interpret the production data as they do he would be fired for incompetence! The graph shows that in fact there is NO trend which justifies the crazy "make me fear my future" action in the whole world. I do not say that we have not to do every possible step to protect our planet but NOT the way it is done today.

This second graph shows the first curve (on this graph in red) combined with an evolution of CO2 content (in black).

It was published in a paper by a reporter who did not understand the slightest bit about the problem but as usual dared write a whole paper as a specialist on a subject he did not understand.

Several comments have to be done but I will only make a few:

- 1st graph has a "grey" zone of uncertainty which was never taken into consideration by those who used the graph.

- both graphs show a slow "drop" in temperature over longer periods of time and a series of short range periodic variations and we are at the end of a positive slope. It has nothing to do only with the human activity since no one mentions for instance the huge amount of CH4 generated by cows and termites or by rooting. CH4 has a screening effect several times higher than CO2 but it is not of human origin so that we neglect it. When the CO2 started to go up the temperature curve did NOT change its down slope!

- I took from different sources the data used by those "scientists" to demonstrate their theory. I used a regression analysis as they do and I came to very interesting results for instance if with same data one makes a linear regression then in 50 years temperature growth will be about 2 to 3 °C, the goodness of the fit gives a value for R², if with same data one makes a 2nd degree regression then, oh miracle, R² is better and the temperature growth will be over 30°C. Nature is not linear so what shall we believe? linear regression or 2nd degree? Some body wrote we have not enough data to make safe prediction, and he was insulted by those who see in that a reduction of their power.

There are much more urgent things to do to save the future let us do it the right way.

Do not believe those who only want to make money with the injection of fear.

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 467
#28
In reply to #27

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/10/2010 8:05 AM

I was willing to reserve my total non expert opinion until the science proved itself out.

When those emails were leaked about a year ago illustrating the blatant willingness on the part of the global warming "scientists" to hide and skew data that didn't conform to their theory, I was blown away. They lost all credibility and should be completely stripped of their credentials, if not jailed for fraud.

No one wants the planet to be destroyed. All data regarding climate/climate change should be open source and transparent. And, as always.....the less that lawyers and politicians are involved, the better.

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Associate

Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 48
Good Answers: 5
#20
In reply to #2

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/09/2010 5:20 PM

I could not have stated it better.

__________________
rcf-jr - If there was anything hard in life, there would be a lot of people out of work.
Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 467
#24
In reply to #20

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/09/2010 6:52 PM

Thanks rcf. Good to see that common sense still exists.

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Register to Reply
Associate

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Umdorman ,Sudan
Posts: 28
#21
In reply to #2

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/09/2010 6:08 PM

Climate change is since the old days, Egypt (for example)more than 2000 years ago was all green land and used to supply 2/3 of all the Roman empire needs of grain ,now 90% of Egypt land is desert and imports all its need of grain from foreign countries.

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 2446
Good Answers: 60
#22
In reply to #21

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/09/2010 6:26 PM

"Climate change is since the old days, Egypt (for example)more than 2000 years ago was all green land and used to supply 2/3 of all the Roman empire needs of grain ,now 90% of Egypt land is desert and imports all its need of grain from foreign countries. "

Excellent point so climate change is nothing new, I believe other advanced civilisations collapsed because the climate changed thousands of years ago

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 467
#23
In reply to #21

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR ?

12/09/2010 6:36 PM

That's right. At one point in time, most of what is now North America was covered in ice. At another point in time it was tropical and dinosaurs were roaming around.

Bottom line........climate has been going through drastic changes since even before the arrival of man.

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42316
Good Answers: 1666
#11

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR?

12/09/2010 10:46 AM

We're all going to die!

This site is interesting, but "sciency" :temperature

Did I just coin a new word?

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 467
#12
In reply to #11

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR?

12/09/2010 11:44 AM

But is the present 50 year blip due to man made CO2 or cow farts?

Even the scientists can't decide.

I like CO2, it make my beer bubbly.

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42316
Good Answers: 1666
#13
In reply to #12

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR?

12/09/2010 12:29 PM

"I like CO2, it make my beer bubbly." I'll drink to that!

Here's what I think. I think that the earth goes through a complete thermal cycle about every 20,000 years. Nothing mankind will ever be capable of doing will stop those cycles.

I also believe that the level of CO2 in the earth's atmosphere is rapidly rising, due to the activities of mankind! I believe that this higher level of CO2 contributes to the rate of warming of the earth's atmosphere, and maybe the oceans too.

I believe that anyone who flat out denies that global warming isn't a fact is either in the oil business, is a religious fanatic or is an idiot.

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 467
#15
In reply to #13

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR?

12/09/2010 1:26 PM

You mean like this?

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/

Of course CO2 levels are going up. Whether they are causing warming or if we are in a natural cycle or a combination of both is still up for debate, as well as the long term consequences.

Either way, we are no more going to stop man made CO2 levels from rising as we could change the natural thermal cycles.

Anyone that thinks that we are going to stop the industrialization and resulting economic boom that is taking place in China, India and others around the planet, and convince them that CO2 levels are going to wipe us out is simply naive. It's almost impossible to even get them to think about the dangerous sooty pollutants they're belching out daily, much less CO2.

All Gore's scheme will accomplish nothing, and if implemented will probably only be applied to US companies operating on US soil. That'll help. We no longer have the power to dictate what others will do.

So whether increasing CO2 is warming the planet or not, it ain't gonna stop.

I'm going to do my part by sequestering those little bubbles in my beer.

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster
#14

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR?

12/09/2010 1:16 PM

Dear friend,Global warming is not that bad,living in warm weather is much better than living in freezing one, but the more important thing that may interest you is :

"Global economic risks rising" , that is the latest news of today.

Be a more rational guy my friend.

Register to Reply
Associate

Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Kazakhstan
Posts: 27
Good Answers: 2
#16

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR?

12/09/2010 1:42 PM

Do not believe what those scientists say that is all rubbish ,the universe is absolutely large and man's activity on the earth do not effect the weather change by any way ,but is natural change.

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 467
#17
In reply to #16

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR?

12/09/2010 1:50 PM

Dude............what's up with that picture? Don't you have one from happier times?

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Register to Reply
Associate

Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Kazakhstan
Posts: 27
Good Answers: 2
#18
In reply to #17

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR?

12/09/2010 2:14 PM

If you so smart as your scientists, ask your scientists to change the weather and make all the year spring-no winter ,no summer-no autumn.

Register to Reply
Associate

Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Syria
Posts: 52
#19
In reply to #18

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR?

12/09/2010 4:53 PM

No sir,that is too much work for the scientists,let them only to kill a deadly Storm rather than to ask the people to run away from the storm.

Register to Reply
Anonymous Poster
#25
In reply to #19

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR?

12/09/2010 8:00 PM

Look at this poor guy:

He tried to run away from the storm.

Register to Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC USA
Posts: 13529
Good Answers: 467
#26
In reply to #25

Re: Is Global warming just a lot of HOT AIR?

12/09/2010 8:17 PM

His mama did that to him.

__________________
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Register to Reply 28 comments
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

Comments rated to be Good Answers:

These comments received enough positive ratings to make them "good answers".

Comments rated to be "almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, rate them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

AfricanGiraffe (1); Anonymous Poster (5); Gizma (2); kramarat (12); lyn (2); mortoch (1); nick name (1); peterg7lyq (2); Ragab1952 (1); rcf-jr (1)

Previous in Forum: PROCEDURE TO CARRY OUT TEMPERATURE RISE TEST FOR CAST RESIN POWER TRANSFORMERS   Next in Forum: Removing White Rust on Hot Dipped Galvanized Pipe
You might be interested in: News Sites, Laboratory Freeze Dryers, Sample Dryers

Advertisement