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What Happened to Malaysia Airline Flight MH-17?

07/17/2014 4:23 PM

As most have heard, Malaysia Airlines have lost another one of their B777.

Even though MH-17 crashed on land, will we really ever know who or what brought it down? It's just over 4 months since Malaysia Airlines lost flight MH-370 from unknown reasons and that plane is still missing. But at least there is a chance they can recover the "Black Boxes" and hopefully find out exactly what brought it down.

There seems to be as much speculation about what happened to MH-17 as there is about MH370. Is MH-17 a victim of the border war between the Ukraine and Russia?

Or are they the victim of a corporate conflict between the two major aircraft manufactures, one to try to instill fear and discredit of the B777-xx? I ask this only because MH-17 went down a day after Qatar Airlines an order 100 B-7779X worth over 2.4 billion US dollars. I'm sure that had to have some kind of effect on Airbus.

Or does another country have a hard on for the Malaysian Government?

What are your thoughts?

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Re: What happened to Malaysia Airline Flight MH-17?

07/17/2014 4:44 PM

These guys are telling us it's a shootdown.

http://thediplomat.com/2014/07/malaysian-airlines-flight-mh17-shot-down-over-donetsk-ukraine/

Still too early...

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07/17/2014 4:45 PM

It was blown out of the sky by Ukrainian terrorists/rebels/idiots.

Flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine - Malaysian Airlines flight ...

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07/17/2014 4:53 PM

The intel I got today was that the Ukrainian Interior Ministry claimed:

1. A surface to air missile (Type 9K37 Buk) brought down flight MH17 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur. The Buk is not a shoulder launched MANPAD, but requires a mobile vehicle launcher. This is something that is not small.

2. MH17 was at an altitude of 33,000 feet. The lower altitude limit over that airspace is something like 20,000 feet due to conflicts in that area. The FAA had already banned (TFR) all US flights over that airspace at all altitudes, but there are something like 23 US citizens onboard MH17, a Malaysian owned 777.

Now, you can look at this way. If it was intentional, then you ask who benefits most from this action. If the Ukrainian government is found responsible, then that is a big win for Russia and the pro-Russian militants.

If Russia or the pro-Russian militants are found responsible, Ukraine gets a big boost.

Neither case states who was actually responsible, but you can imagine that each side would have their own reasons for who would appear responsible.

It could be an accident, but that is not going to bode well for the group that launched it and the supplier of the missile.

I find it curious that the type of missile was so quickly identified by the Interior Minister. I am not so sure how they would know that so quickly unless the track was monitored by radar at the time of launch. Military radar should be able to ID the missile if they have a good track.

I also find it odd that all commercial flights simply did not avoid the Ukrainian and neighboring Russian airspace altogether instead of relying on the altitude TFR. However, that is someone else's blunder.

Finally, I stack the odds of this shoot down, and I do believe it was shot down, on an accidental targeting of the airliner - fog of war, rather than a deliberate act.

Hopefully, time will tell. Meanwhile each side of the conflict in Ukraine as well as the West and Russia will attempt to use this for their own political advantages. So the real truth only matters if it serves the geopolitical agenda.

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07/17/2014 5:09 PM

There aren't too many SAMs that can reach that altitude, seems the newer Buks can get to 77,000 feet.

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07/17/2014 5:23 PM

That may be one way to narrow down the field of possible SAMs if the aircraft was really at 33,000 feet. That rules out all MANPADs that I know about.

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Re: What happened to Malaysia Airline Flight MH-17?

07/17/2014 5:29 PM

If this plane was shot down, why don't we see a smoke trail in a video that shows the impact fire ball? CNN in the US was also saying, (speculation?) that the Captain may have opted to fly the Northern route due to thunderstorms alone the Southern flyways. In another video, it shows part of the fuselage with a circular hole with the skin bent in wards like something impacted and penetrated the fuselage from the outside.

My feeling it was shot down, why, only time will tell. But what are the odds that Malaysia Airlines would lose two 777's within a four month period?

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07/17/2014 6:40 PM

Latest intel I have now is the Ukrainian Security Services claims they have audio of a phone call made by Igor Bezler, a Russian military intel officer and leading commanding officer of the Donetsk People's Republic, made at 1600 hrs local time (about 20 minutes after the crash) to someone at the security Services of Ukraine (Vasili Geranin, a Russian Colonel).

Bezler claimed in that call, "We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo."

40 minutes later a second call between two individuals where one individual states, "These are Chernukhino folks who shot down the plane. From the Chernukhino check point. Those Cossacks who are based in Chernukhino."..."it was 100 percent a passenger [civilian] aircraft."

So far each side is claiming the other is responsible and US Intelligence has confirmed that a SAM was responsible for downing the aircraft.

If the audio is authentic it will surely put Russia in the hot seat for its role in supplying equipment and special forces on the ground in eastern Ukraine.

Things are unfolding rapidly, so there is bound to be a lot of erroneous chatter and misleading facts. We will hopefully learn more in the days ahead.

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Re: What happened to Malaysia Airline Flight MH-17?

07/17/2014 6:56 PM

Buk missiles use proximity fuses meaning that they detonate immediately before impact. We see no detonation. Moreover, even if it were Buk missile which failed to detonate, its trajectory would have carried the 5.5 m, 700 kg missile through the fuselage. We see no debris flying out past the impact point. That was not a Buk missile. It was something else.

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07/17/2014 7:00 PM

Never "missed" an airplane? They probably did shoot the wrong one.

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Re: What happened to Malaysia Airline Flight MH-17?

07/17/2014 7:33 PM

It is too early to know the truth. The next few weeks will be filled with speculation and conspiracy theories. If there is a government cover-up, the people will not be privy to the truth. My comment is "No comment".

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07/17/2014 7:53 PM

Very good article - reads air to air - then BUK - so which one will it be? When it is a BUK, there are specialists involved in a command vehicle and they probably can make an inventory of the $100.000.00 plus missile. So who is missing one? Smell the launcher tube.

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07/17/2014 10:24 PM

What good would a SAM be that couldn't reach 33,000?

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07/17/2014 10:29 PM

MANPADs only have, at best, an 11,000 foot ceiling and given how portable a shoulder launched missile is, it is considered a nightmare for airports, both military and civilian.

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07/18/2014 9:08 AM

Doesn't a missile have to be radar-guided/programmed to the target at that altitude?

How did they know the plane would be there in the first place ?

Seems like deliberate, and expert targeting to me.

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07/18/2014 9:26 AM

CNN reported last night that US military intelligence stated they had a launch detection of a BUK type interceptor from within the Donetsk region held by the rebels approximately 15 seconds before MH17 started falling.

There was no distress call from the plane as would be expected if mechanical difficulties were the cause. (From Malaysian PM)

They also reported that a launcher of this type was confiscated by rebels from a Ukrainian base.

There have been Two confirmed surface to air shoot downs of Ukrainian military aircraft by the rebels and one by a Russian fighter.

There have been no surface to air launches by the Ukrainian government to date.

Those were the key point I saw last night on the news.

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07/18/2014 9:44 AM

Yes, as far as I know the system contains a ground based radar to acquire target.

My guess is that someone had a visual sighting of the aircraft at altitude and a snap decision was made to lock target and launch. The systems are designed for fast acquisition because in the battlefield there are no preplanned of published flight plans for incoming aircraft. I'll bet that the crew had no prior notice of incoming aircraft. It was just an opportunist event.

As to whether that person in command cared or took the time to try to identify the target, I have no idea, but these missiles are not cheap.

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07/18/2014 9:47 AM

It's impossible to imagine how a commercial airliner flying at 33,000 feet could be considered a threat by any sane person.

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07/18/2014 10:04 AM

I remember Iran Air Flight 655...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

And discovered this rather disturbing list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_incidents

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07/18/2014 10:11 AM

Lyn. Since this forum has no politics chamber and the "engineering facts" are hardly discussed and all the western media are instructed on what to publish. I read these too, but there is a lot more to it. Posters here are very ill informed about the facts.

As even the intro "

There seems to be as much speculation about what happened to MH-17 as there is about MH370. Is MH-17 a victim of the border war between the Ukraine and Russia? " end quote.

As far as I understand and not how some parties would like to see it the other way. Russia is not at war with any nation.

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07/18/2014 10:25 AM

Need more links? PM me.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/malaysian-plane-crash-lies-and-sinister-political-agenda-by-the-west/5391913

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07/18/2014 10:52 AM

Not a threat. Think target.

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07/18/2014 11:02 AM

Not formally and neither are we, but both have troops in active combat roles right now.

Russia is involved in may terror related theaters and heavily in the theater in Ukraine, which is of their own doing.

Also, Russian military and intelligence officers have active prosecuting roles in the unrest in eastern Ukraine.

The West simply refuses to formally acknowledge what is common knowledge because no one wants to be involved.

I would consider this topic as political as much as it is geopolitical.

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07/18/2014 11:06 AM

I am sorry to say, but that is a totally biased hack piece.

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07/18/2014 11:19 AM

Think insane.

If it was deliberate, it was an act of terrorism, not war.

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07/18/2014 11:36 AM

This one probably also? First was Canadian. This is one of ours. The intelligence as far as referred to everything officially "Ukranian" has been fabricated as well as their ops. It is not my task to discuss this. At the end, who am I?

http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/Sanctions-and-Airliners-by-Paul-Craig-Roberts-Demands_Provocation_Putin_Russia-140717-940.html

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07/18/2014 12:05 PM

I will not ask you to show some non- fabricated evidence.

You have probably other work to do and looking for it will take up all your time.

At the end We can only give an opinion or just repeat the press, lies or truth, be it unknowingly or knowingly.

I am in the same boat as you and use the same currency. Our opinions, however may differ.

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07/18/2014 1:06 PM

Depends on intent. If they thought it was a valid military target and not civilian, then it is negligence.

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07/18/2014 1:21 PM

From the author's own words, "At this time as I write, we have no reliable information about the airliner,"

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07/18/2014 2:14 PM

All the same, at 33,000 feet?

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07/18/2014 2:39 PM

As you say. That should be in all reports until a consensus has shown up and evidence is provided.

just something about the phone calls:

http://www.infowars.com/video-did-ukraine-fabricate-evidence-to-frame-russia-for-mh17-shoot-down/

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07/18/2014 2:40 PM

I wasn't there, so I can't say what they knew and why they did what they did.

Maybe time will reveal more, but when you start giving loose canons like the separatists big nasty toys it should not be too much of a surprise to see them used and abused.

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07/18/2014 2:42 PM

Flight tracking page for the accident flight (MAS17)

This route is slightly NE of the prescribed route, but not by much.

Pretty typical of the route normally flown.

Flight tracking page for yesterday's MAS17 to show a typical route

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07/18/2014 2:56 PM

It would be more interesting to see the actual mil satellite data for the launch and intercept.

I am sure that the exact location of the launch is known, the type of missile, and its intercept point is and was know minutes after the launch.

Information on that theater is under close scrutiny and is sent to US command headquarters in Germany where every potential launch on that continent is logged.

However, we will never get to see that intel publicly.

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07/18/2014 3:31 PM

Apparently someone at CNN got that info leaked to them last night. They supposedly know where it came from and exactly what type of missile / launch vehicle it was and how long it took to intercept MH17. They released that statement from an "anon" source as the 10pm CDT broadcast opened, followed by the post on FB that the head of the rebels made two minutes following the shoot down, and the phone call recording from the Ukrainian security folks of the supposed calls between the local commander and Russian intelligence. It was pretty ugly when presented like that followed by the "it's raining body parts" statement of the journalist who's black smoke footage of the crash and aftermath has been shown repeatedly.

Either that or CNN made it up.

It pains me to say this, but it seems to me that on one side we have fairly modern people struggling to free themsleves from the old ways and the old thinking. Wanting to join the EU and move into the 21st century. On the otherside there are, excuse the term, 19th century cossacks determined to, "Crab in the bucket" hold everyone back from becoming a modern society and leaving them behind in their primitive mindest and behaviors. Crimean land grab and all.

This is the same dichotomy that destroyed Yugoslavia. I was lucky to have been to Sarajevo before this kind of insanity and stupidity destroyed it.

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07/18/2014 3:44 PM

I could show it to you, but then I'd have to........................................Never mind.

I'm sure we'll never see it. We may be told what "they" want us to know about it, but...........

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07/18/2014 3:48 PM

You wrote, "It pains me to say this..."

I don't think it is anything remotely that simple.

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07/18/2014 5:58 PM

"... every potential launch on that continent is logged."

How do they log potential launches?

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Whoops, I meant potential lunch. :-)

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07/18/2014 11:01 PM

In the same manner as Dilbert's Boss asking for a list of the upcoming unscheduled outages...

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07/21/2014 9:43 AM

OT or not, somebody had to say it...

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07/21/2014 10:16 AM

Well, as part of my business I also get paid subscriptions to security intel that hopefully are a little more reliable than simply opinionated news organizations. However, both have value.

As such I hope that I have a somewhat more informed opinion on some of these subjects, but I am also the first to admit that there are very real limits to the the information I can get and the opinions I can form based on that information.

Also, I have found that modern and ancient history is a good grounding tool for understanding current geopolitics.

I have also pointed out before that governments produce two forms of information. One is for public consumption and the other is what happens behind closed doors.

You can particularly see this in action with, but not necessarily limited to, third world countries where government statements are tailored toward placating public sentiment or to set a tone, but do not necessarily represent the truth.

A glaring example of that can be found in the statement that a video was responsible for the attack at the Benghazi consulate, when evidence now demonstrates that the government (the intelligence officers, White House, and the State Department) did not believe that was the root cause at all, yet still pressed that narrative.

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07/21/2014 12:37 PM

Now I don't see how the f* russians have the ability to disable that tube account you're pointing to. Funny ain't it? Sadly this is no angel world. NOBODY is above my suspicion any more. I'm getting tired of the filthy lies I'm told, time and time again. Better to try to have a look under the surface. S.M.

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07/21/2014 8:19 PM

Thanks for the link. I am not sure I would rate this source as balanced nor even correct on their assumptions, which is pretty much what all of their arguments are based on. They clearly have an anti-American axe to grind and that comes first with their reporting.

My best guess at this point is that Russia is probably the provider of the equipment that shot down the aircraft to the Ukrainian separatists. Russia either directly provided a Buk with SA-17s or Russia transferred a Buc SA-11 captured from Crimea into rebel hands.

Russia, in my opinion, would not have wanted that equipment used against a civilian aircraft, but it may have been operated by a team not well trained.

That doesn't exactly make Russia the guy that pulled the trigger, but Russia would seem to bear some responsibility. It is sort of like you giving someone a shotgun and and that someone uses it to kill someone. You may not have been aware that they were going to do it, but you now have a role in that murder.

I understand that Russia has both advisors and military/intelligence officers directly in combat roles in Eastern Ukraine, however, it seems very remote that a Russian operative would knowingly shoot down a civilian aircraft and unlikely that they would make such a mistake. Yet, that is not totally impossible, just improbable.

We will just have to wait for investigations to run their course. Meanwhile the conspiracists will continue to make a lot of noise.

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07/21/2014 9:35 PM

Since the first moment Russia got blamed for all the evil in the world. When I read the papers and see loud open mouths up to the tonsils, I wonder what is wrong with stating your innocence. The east and Southeast oblasts had big army store depots and some bases, that were surrendered to the (terrorists, bandits) rebel militias. The problem is a lot deeper - google Ukraine elections 2012 - these regions are ethnic Russian speakers that live there for centuries and try to not spill too much blood and to stay alive. The nation's army is a bit neglected: soldiers with no complete uniforms, no food etc.. and commandeered by some corrupt chiefs, trying to make some money from arms they sell to the rebels, to buy food and water in the few sores they have access to. These rebels are the citizens of the Donbass, workers and miners who pay 65% of the taxes and do not agree with the Kiev administration. I spare you the details. I have read that they have help from volunteers and perhaps also from legionnaires. But so has the national guard help from e.g. greystone and some Russophobes.

The article is perhaps biased, but do not forget that Russia is in defense mode. (has never been in the offensive since this crisis was started)

Russia presents the findings here, gathered in their own Air Control, of events that happened in a neighboring country and asks to add more findings.

Let all the others come now with the so loudly propagated evidence. I have all the respect for different opinions, but vacuum, un-truths and lies is not my article. Never was.

It is not my wish to become too political, but as the world is evolving it is not getting better. Perhaps it is different for the "exceptional" and "indispensable". We all will need a lot of good luck.

I hope I do not embarrass you with a next link. Regards. D

http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140721/191082305/Russia-Denies-Smuggling-Military-Hardware-Into-East-Ukraine.html

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07/21/2014 9:44 PM

Well, the NSA has never spied on world leaders, either.

As with most of these situations, the truth will probably never be known.

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07/22/2014 9:23 AM

This was a pretty good copy and past on your part, I'm not sure if other people reading this has caught it yet, Intel? really? probably not. That fact is! we/you will never know what it has to do with. People all day generalize about all sorts of things and make stupid remarks about how smart they think they are and the truth is, if you were any good at it with any accuracy at all you'd have a desk next to mine. Stop thinking about it, it simply does not matter, as the game players whom actually make a difference are many stages above us. If you want to make a difference in life, think about all the good you can do around you. Like: being nice to your spouce, children and others around you, stand up against porn, pay your child support, help others before yourself, contribute to your community, drive the speed limit, stop acting stupid, don't raise bratty spoild kids and then put them in our communitties. If you need any additional ideas I'll be glad to help, assuming any/you understood my undertone. Otherwise it's business as usual.

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07/22/2014 12:11 PM

First, just what are you accusing me of plagiarizing? Be specific, please.

You wrote, "That fact is! we/you will never know what it has to do with."

What are you saying? Is it wrong to speculate based on available information?

You wrote, "People all day generalize about all sorts of things and make stupid remarks about how smart they think they are and the truth is,..."

Just what in my statement do you feel qualifies as stupid? Please be specific.

You continued with, "...if you were any good at it with any accuracy at all you'd have a desk next to mine."

I am not sure why anyone, myself included, needs to sit next to you or must take any professional position based solely on what they are "good at". I have many interests in my life, but the choice of vocation is my own.

Take for example, Tom Clancy. He was very, very good with his accuracy with regards to upcoming military technology and geopolitics, but he was quite content to write fiction.

Lastly, I am not going to quote your remaining words as they are too long, but under what authority have you been vested to tell people what they should do?

At best, all you can expect is for others to take your free advice under advisement, but am not sure that I will need your help, as much as you are willing to offer it and given the way you are serving it, thank you.

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07/22/2014 12:30 PM

Speaking of STUPID REMARKS, you sound like another overpaid government bureaucrat with an inferiority complex, coupled with delusions of grandeur.

The generalizations you made here, without a shred of tangible evidence or proof to back them up, reek of arrogance and stupidity.

Personally, I'd blow my brains out if I had to sit next to you at a desk.

Do you understand my undertone, or is further explanation required?

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07/22/2014 1:35 PM

Well, we have not had a chance to get to the wreckage to examine the aircraft for cause of failure, but there is more evidence surfacing to collaborate the claims it was a frag missile.

The claim with this photo is that it was on the far side of the detonation, which explains the outward penetrating shrapnel.

An onboard bomb would probably produce a similar effect, but there is already a lot of circumstantial evidence that points to a missile as the cause. Time will tell us more.

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07/30/2014 3:05 AM

I've been tied up with my oldest daughter's wedding, so I've been off line.

Anyhow the day after the downing of MH17, CNN had showed a piece of fuselage with a reporter standing in the foreground and this piece of fuselage had a 3.5'-4' punctured hole in it with the penetrating shrapnel bent in-wards, thus no doubt the the other side would show out-wards expansion of shrapnel.

I what do find haunting is the fact we're not hearing the updates about MH17 since Israel and the Palestine conflict started escalating more.

Why the sudden focus on the Israeli/Palestine conflict? Which has been going on since Israel moved in? Is it to move focus away from MH17? Or is it to justify American support of Israel? Or is it to ....... I really don't give a damn, we real need to know how and why 290 innocent people had died because of it.

I when I started this thread I didn't intend for it to be political, but guess when you have two warring factions in the middle of the crime scene, it can't help not to have politics involved.

I just hope who ever shot down this civilian aircraft is brought to justice on a World forum.

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07/30/2014 9:59 AM

I just read that MH17 is really the highjacked MH370, complete with decomposed bodies.

According to this, the entire hijack and shoot down were planned.

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07/30/2014 3:17 PM

"According to this, the entire hijack and shoot down were planned." That statement makes the most sense that I've heard so far. GA from me.

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07/30/2014 4:58 PM

I just can't buy into the theory that a plane can disappear for 4 months, the reappear again, still full of dead bodies.

Busted! MH-17 Was in Fact the 'Lost' Flight MH-370 -- Updates


This is just too much like the (all totally) false 911 theories for my liking.Nit impossible, just very improbable.

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07/30/2014 5:31 PM

Then there's this" Huge: Declassified US Military Files Show Modus Operandi for Flase Flag MH-17

This is just too far out for me.

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07/31/2014 2:41 PM

That is pretty bizarre. Using bodies from the local morgue? I'd have to be smoking some better shit to finish this guy's rant.

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07/31/2014 3:14 PM

You guys are reading the wrong "news". This is SF.

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08/01/2014 12:48 AM

As with everything else going on in the world and as sad as it is, we will always have twits with their conspiracy theories. There's as much truth in their theories as there is in our own media here in the US of A. Unfortunately the media controls this country and those who controls the media, well ......

We need to know how and why MH 17 was taken out and what happened to MH 370. The families of MH 370 still don't their family members to put to rest.

It's hard to believe that in today's age of technology, we can't find a missing 777?

Or did they, and not disclosing any details??

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08/01/2014 11:41 PM

you might like this and other articles:

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