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Happy 4th of July!

07/04/2008 9:05 AM

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

So begins the Declaration of Independence signed on July 4, 1776.

To honor this brave deed, and to keep with the Engineering theme of CR4, we are celebrating the Engineers of the American Revolution. In this case we aren't referring to Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, etc. You already know of their acheivements. We are celebrating men such as Thaddeus Kosciusko, Richard Gridley, and Rufus Putnam. In their own ways, just as important as the founding fathers.

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Re: Happy 4th of July!

07/04/2008 10:38 AM
Nice start Chris.

Here is a transcript of the complete document including names of the 56 signers.

Only two names appeared on the manuscript on July 4. The others were added later. There was no email then.

I heard today that the draft was supposed to be announced on July 2 but two additional days were needed to make some final changes. There were many drafts before this version. All reference to slave policy was removed earlier on as most were beneficiaries to this policy.

Most people never read the specific list of grievances cited in the document as cause "for dissolving the political bands which have connected them".

Therefore I am encouraging this for CR4 forum members as homework. You are to study each grievance and report you favorite one or rank them in some way.

Should you agree that the Colonists deserved such treatment, indicate so.You may choose to rank which of the punishments the King should have done more of should you should you be so inclined.

I will start by listing my favorite grievance as:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States

Second Choice (since I'm from Taxachusetts):

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent

Some things never change. Comments are welcome.

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The Declaration of Independence: A Transcription


IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.


The 56 signatures on the Declaration appear in the positions indicated:

Column 1
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton

Column 2
North Carolina:
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton

Column 3
Massachusetts:
John Hancock
Maryland:
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton

Column 4
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean

Column 5
New York:
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark

Column 6
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Massachusetts:
Samuel Adams
John Adams
Robert Treat Paine
Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins
William Ellery
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman
Samuel Huntington
William Williams
Oliver Wolcott
New Hampshire:

Matthew Thornton

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Re: Happy 4th of July!

07/05/2008 12:34 AM

It should be noted that, historically, governance was generally derived through some "devine selection" rather than, That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Even the Magna Carta did not offer universal consent of the governed- only the consent of the privileged elite. But this is nitpicking. My favorite woull be:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States

Why does this sound like the world through the eyes of Iraqis?

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07/05/2008 9:36 AM

GA!

Clearly you are paying attention and have found an obvious contradiction very relevant today. "He has done xxxx" in some cases has become "We have done xxxxxx".. (applies to USA)

Someone should show this document to Mr. Bush.

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07/05/2008 10:53 AM

Clearly Most governments in the world have derailed from the initial intensions of their founding fathers.

Yes the US actions in Iraq (regardless of the motive) is in clear contradiction of the declaration of independence.

The Iraq invation and annexation of kuwait leading to the Gulf war is another clear example.

The sit tight syndrome and the plaundering of riches by many African Heads of state are complete derailment from the intensions of their founding fathers (See the Mugabe's fresh example)

Do we talk of the forced silencing of rights of self derterminations in some countries?

In any case, regardless of the might of state powers, natural course of self determination will always prevail. History is replete with evidence.

See the former USSR, Yugoslavia, Germany and in the ancient world, the Roman Empire, Orthoman empire, Ghana, Mali, Songhai etc.

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07/05/2008 11:01 AM

And Congratutions America, on this occassion of your 232nd Independence anniversery.

Warm regards, to Chris Leonard for starting this post and to eriew for the declaration document, it made a good reading.

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07/05/2008 4:09 PM

Greetings to all American members.

In Britain we use the phrase 'John Hancock' as mild slang for 'signature'. The only other bit of trivia I can add is that the declaration (I've heard there is more than one version ?) was used as a 'one time pad' for a famous code story; the so called 'Beale Treasure' papers.

Have a great celebratory weekend folks.

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07/06/2008 7:43 PM

Do you guys in the US get so much crap about Australia day as we get for Independance day, ok, sure you have your day forwhatever its worth, just I guess you take it differently. Then you get the "Oh we are just so great movie" ID4

Independance day here in Australia, personally I don't give a crap about, no matter how much the teachers tried to shove down our throats about American history, leaving the Australian history as something to be forgotten then leading up to think "America is Great" yeh, give me a break.

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07/07/2008 5:23 AM

Did you never see the movie with Will Smith ? Have some compassion dude. Oz has a thieving ancestry and we have Gordy Brown. They have Bush + a great big saucer over the Whitehouse. Still, they won in the end. You have a lot of bush, and we're stuck with a saucer for a couple more years ( we sometimes call it 'flip-top Cherry, but 'ha' we gave them the Beckams !). Life is ironic. I dunno if they are still partying, but let them get on with it. It's well earned, and we'll forgive for the tea party thing. It was probably the bloody Irish anyway.

Many years ago we used to have an 'Empire' day ( my terminology may be wrong). We grew out of if it. Probably because of all the stupid parliamentary rules and 'quaint' Brit customs. Being polite ain't one of them, but tongue in cheek is.I've read some hilarious stories about how Oz has treated visiting presidents etc. Good on ya mate.l Australians are independent. Love you for it.

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07/07/2008 2:09 PM

I notice that Chris had originally asked the CR4 forum to list engineering accomplishments in addition to the work of the engineers (Franklin, Washington) as founding fathers.

I nominate Henry Knox Link , George Washington's Chief Artillery Officier in the Continental Army and later first Secretary of War for President Washington of the new nation.

Knox convinced General Washington in the winter of 1775 to 1776 to move the recently captured big gun by caravan from Fort Ticonderoga to Boston over a distance of 200 miles. See link Knox Trail (http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/services/KnoxTrail/ - sorry, link no longer available)

General Washington agreed to this plan. History records engineering feat as instrumental in forcing the British army to leave Boston. Such an unlikely defeat inspired the long struggle which eventually led to the British surrender at Yorktown. See link Yorktown We would be remiss in not thanking the French for their help at Yorktown and during the five year conflict. See illustration. Without them there would be no USA.

The Knox Trail is commemorated today along the entire route from upstate New York to Boston.

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07/07/2008 5:50 PM

President Hoover translated "De Re Metalica", a classic medieval book on mining. The illustrations are fantastic. My Knowledge of American History is not enough for me to know how involved he was with the Hoover dam, but he sound like he was one heck of a guy. Please excuse any Brit ignorance on my part, but a president who also knew engineering sounds like a great guy.

I'll mark this OT, since he didn't sign the declaration.

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