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Is Low-Cost Chinese Labor Affecting Your U.S. Exports?

07/14/2011 4:46 PM

New, small companies or developing countries have typically been accused of competing unfairly against older, larger companies or developed countries. Hey, what did the British think about the low-priced textiles from the American colonies who paid no attention to OSHA or environmental damage, paid little or no (local) tax, had no pensions, had no holidays off and even used slave labor? How could the Manchester spinning mills compete? The answer is history.

So is the past prologue?

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07/14/2011 11:27 PM

What a Yacka**ss Dumba**ss generally and fundamentally antisocial this guy is, I have nothing to do with. I deny racial connections, I refuse genetic connections. I even refuse mammalian connections.

Damn his hide.

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07/15/2011 10:53 AM

Now, that I cooled down a bit, I think a bit more detail is due for those interested.

I profoundly despise moralizing ***sses of ANY stripe.

Commingling ancient life with medieval and modern one is a sure sign of idiocy both by the student and his professors. In ancient times and medieval ones slavery was an ECONOMIC solution. The contemporaries were quite aware of the situation on a personal level. While I do not have a quote handy, I am sure, someone will provide. I have read books from the medieval times of the old country. Slavery, in name did not exist, quite. Captured enemies needed to be bought back, or stay as indentured. It was ECONOMICS. The USA slavery stopped first in the north, then in the south, for ECONOMIC reasons. I am not revealing any great truth by this.

OSHA or any other such luxuries of the 21.st century in the 14th, 15th and 16th century economics.??? Have you lost your mind??

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07/15/2011 12:30 PM

TO CR4 MANAGEMENT.

I noticed, that my counts are frozen since at least 2008 as 427/20, and what else? Counter on notes? Maybe blocking on votes? From me, to me? I do not care much, but is this a way to run a business? If I am treated this way,I am fairly sure, others are too. Wow!

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07/15/2011 12:53 PM

You're right! I think I'm going to ask for my money back!!

Let me see. . . if I take the number of comments I have made, and divide by the dollars I spent for the services provided. . . Oh CR4P!!

I divided by zero!

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07/14/2011 11:43 PM

oh look a trick to direct traffic to a blog from one of the GS advertisers

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07/15/2011 4:41 AM

Hi, as a Brit, I understand Steve's general point in our diminished production standing in the Global trade market. No disrepect Leveles, but I feel your response is a tad OTT. Whilst there are many factors (as stated in the full article) for "changing supply chains" to reduce costs etc, the fact remains that to the detriment of GB/US manufacturing oufits, goods have been sought from 3rd world countries with cheap labour and questionable working conditions. The change of focus on sourcing goods lay not completely in the hands of the customer who wants things cheaper (although this point has legs), but at the door of the finished product supplier - who, evidence has shown, stands to make more profit for their business than is passed on to the customer! I'm not suggesting that countries such as GB/US/Ger should "raise the drawbridge" to cheap imports as there are huge complexities to this. But the outcome of "questionable" manufacturing from 3rd world areas rasies concerns of unfair/inhumane treatments and processes, unbalanced GDP (trade deficits), reduction in "home manufacturing jobs" (and the greater resultant local economic impact)... all to primarily line the pockets of some faceless links in the "supply chain". Globalisation can be good, but the world is not a level playing field (look at the EU monetary crisis with Ireland/Greece/Italy?).

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07/15/2011 8:18 AM

We should raise import taxes on manufacturers who have "substandard" worker salaries, OSHA, EPA regulations to "encourage" them to improve the lives of their workers. Otherwise we are just as liable for the injuries/sweat-shop conditions.

This would improve the lives of millions around the world, as well as improve the competitiveness of workers right here in this country.

This tide could raise all boats, not to mention remove some of the tax burden from the citizens.

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07/15/2011 12:38 PM

"This would improve the lives of millions around the world, as well as improve the competitiveness of workers right here in this country."

We must remember our ethics, however, as it relates to the stratification of economic classes. Sure, a good, living wage and humane treatment should be enjoyed by all, but in reality, outsourcing and globalisation often leads to a creation of economic disparity, rather than leading to the development of a strong middle class of consumers, which would be the ideal outcome.

In my humble opinion, the idea of American consumers/voters attempting to levy any type of tarrif which would "level the field" would be a travesty of the free market.

As to the effect of low-cost Chinese labor on American exports, I have no data in front of me, but I am certain that there must be some relationship, whether positive or negative, I know not.

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07/15/2011 9:43 AM

The problem here at home is quite different from that here presently given.

I have been to several (S0 Called) recognized manufacturers and have found them lazy and non competitive. It is dishearteneing when you take a large project to them to develop that has great demand and long term delivery requirements, how lazy they have become in simply not accepting to work with well funded organizations, just because they don't want to re-tool or build the jigs or molds required for the project. American enterprise has surely gone down the tubes since it was world leader in the past decades. It is really sad. That is why the Chinese labor market is doing so well. They are aggressive and send people over here and flood the internet with their proposals and products.

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07/15/2011 9:51 AM

I disagree with the idea of countries using tariffs to discourage imports. Those methods too soon become "tit-for-tat" policies between the rival countries.

Much more effective is to educate the citizens to shun "bargains" the imports appear to be, as those bargains turn into lost jobs. I believe in the old labor union slogan: "Buy American local, the job you save may be your own."

There's a difference between individuals refusing the products of another country than the governments themselves levying taxes to discourage commerce.

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07/15/2011 10:34 AM

Hey two to three decades ago it was the cheap Japanese junk. As then and now with china. We only have to to blame is our own business practices and purchasing habits.

But I look on the bright side. China in acquiring this has it's government in a spot pulling farther away from communism. People will want more as they prosper. It will be very hard for the government to keep the level playing field in wealth among it's citizens. Or control the desires of that many people. And sooner or latter just like Japan their economy will be on par with ours. It will no longer be Chinese junk your complaining about.

Then what developing country you going to complain about?

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07/15/2011 1:47 PM

Unfortunatly I have to remind you, all of us must work for a solution to a problem every day. And if your not part of the solution . . .

Now fast foward to Phoenix , Local Motors, crowd source engineering DARPAs FANG project

Then fast fast Forward to CERN AMS-02. Designed built and put in space less than 20 years. Put in space by U.S. by the way. Particale Physics has come a long way.

These are solutions to our problems.

P.S. Jay Rogers I hope you get the compliment forwarded to you. This is my real reason for posting. Congradulations.

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07/16/2011 6:16 PM

To demand that the 'developing' countries install all the benefits/wages/safeguards on the way would be to keep them from developing. Once they are rich enough, the workers will demand such rights, and eventually get what their country can afford (or more, then pay for it afterwards). We have only the greed of the already rich to thank for the current situation - both sides of the pond - as the bankers deny companies the long-term funding for major capital projects. This is not the case in the Far East, where development of the massive factories required to make flat screens cheaply was facilitated.

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07/17/2011 4:02 PM

What is there to export other than latest armaments? Most of American products are made in China ( eg. Ipad/iphone). Unless one can stop copying,future is very bleak. What ever new is exported this year,you will get a copy next year.Answer lies in reducing imports of Chinese goods by developing some sort of campaign,so that consumers do not buy,then you have a solution. Have exclusive shops for consumers which will only store products 100%made in USA.There are many patriotic Americans who will only buy from these places. Japanese generally buy made in Japan products? Why not Americans? Only volume production and automation can reduce costs for export.Volumes will come when USA has also large domestic sales.

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