Animal Science Blog

Animal Science

The Animal Science Blog is the place for conversation and discussion about scientific and technological topics related to pets, livestock, and other animals. See how cutting-edge advances help - or hinder - species around the world.

Previous in Blog: A Beagle With Bronchitis   Next in Blog: A Genus May Become Extinct – The Endangered Hirola
Close
Close
Close
10 comments
Rate Comments: Nested

Maybe the Kraken Was Real!

Posted October 26, 2011 8:59 AM by SavvyExacta

Mythology's kraken has made modern-day appearances in movies such as Clash of the Titans and Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest. Paleontologist Mark McMenamin studied fossilized remains in Nevada. They were not of the kraken that is rumored to have been similar to the octopus; soft-bodied without the capability leave good fossil remains. (Only evidence of hard beaks usually remains after thousands of years.) The fossils studied by McMenamin were of the snaggle-toothed ichthyosaurs. These were ocean-dwellers from the Triassic Period and were larger than school busses.

The remains of the ichthyosaurs in Nevada are curiously grouped together. There are nine of them, 45-feet long, and they are neatly arranged as if left there by something bigger. Etching on the bones rules out a one-time mass death; many appear to have had their ribs and necks broken. The vertebrae are arranged as if left by sucker discs from a cephalopod tentacle.

This leads scientists to ask: what killed these large animals? In the 1950s Charles Camp thought the deaths were caused by toxic plankton or accidental stranding in shallow water. (Recent studies have shown that the area was a deep water environment.)

The condition of the fossilized ichthyosaurs suggests an attack. Because of the lack of fossilized evidence of a predator, however, their death remains a mystery. McMenamin suggests that an octopus-like creature (which would leave little fossilized evidence) could have been the killer. The mythological kraken was rumored to have been 40-50-feet long. The Giant Pacific octopus, the largest known octopus, is 14-30-feet long.

There is video evidence of octopi killing sharks. While McMenamin's suggestion of a Triassic Period kraken remains a hypothesis, who knows - maybe there really was a king-sized squid swimming the seas!

Resources:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111010075530.htm

https://www.rgj.com/article/20111015/NEWS07/110160362/Unleash-kraken-Scientist-says-Nevada-ichthyosaur-fossils-might-remains-sea-monster-s-lunch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraken

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enteroctopus_dofleini

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Colossal_octopus_by_Pierre_Denys_de_Montfort.jpg [image]

Reply

Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: srilanka
Posts: 2725
Good Answers: 5
#1

Re: Maybe the Kraken Was Real!

10/27/2011 1:47 AM

If we accept Dinosaurs we can belief huge sea creature's existence too. even among humans big foots should have existed. Due to climate change,emissions,geological changes,hunting etc huge species might have disappeared. Even modern elephants,they say,are smaller than their ancestors.

__________________
pnaban
Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 323
Good Answers: 2
#3
In reply to #1

Re: Maybe the Kraken Was Real!

10/27/2011 11:07 AM

pnaban,.......I disagree with you here, elephants didn't ever have ancestors, they always have been elephants, and always will!

Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: srilanka
Posts: 2725
Good Answers: 5
#4
In reply to #3

Re: Maybe the Kraken Was Real!

10/27/2011 11:19 AM

I meant the earlier generations,even anacondas were bigger people say.

__________________
pnaban
Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Tulare, CA
Posts: 1783
Good Answers: 35
#6
In reply to #3

Re: Maybe the Kraken Was Real!

10/27/2011 12:15 PM

It was only about 25,000 years ago we had giant animals walking around that are now extinct. Sabortooth Tiger, Giant Sloth. Then there were animals that were smaller than today's versions like the horse.

Mammoths are much bigger than elephants, they are related.

The reason mammals long ago were much larger than today is because the atmosphere was richer in oxygen. That's what they say on the Discovery Channel.

I question some of the things Discovery Channel states.

One show they were talking about these animals many many years ago or so, and discussing some animals that walked up right. They showed them eating meat and saying that it was because of their eating meat that caused their brains to develop more through evolution into modern man. If that's the case, then Lions and Tigers should be geniuses.

__________________
Why is there never enough time to do it right the first time but always enough time to do it over?
Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 323
Good Answers: 2
#8
In reply to #6

Re: Maybe the Kraken Was Real!

10/27/2011 12:31 PM

I question everything that Discovery channel says!

Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 166
Good Answers: 4
#9
In reply to #6

Re: Maybe the Kraken Was Real!

10/28/2011 4:54 AM

Cats ARE pretty smart. Have you ever watched one on the prowl? It is something to behold.

Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Tulare, CA
Posts: 1783
Good Answers: 35
#10
In reply to #9

Re: Maybe the Kraken Was Real!

10/29/2011 10:16 AM

Some cats even learn to go to the bathroom in the toilet and flush it.

There is a species of spider that can mimic all other varieties of spiders and attack them, it even takes on spiders much larger than itself by surprise attacks.

What I'm talking about is cats having written language, using tools, world domination.

__________________
Why is there never enough time to do it right the first time but always enough time to do it over?
Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Fishing - Old Salt Hobbies - CNC - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Rosedale, Maryland USA
Posts: 5197
Good Answers: 266
#2

Re: Maybe the Kraken Was Real!

10/27/2011 9:22 AM

Maybe one of these.

Colossal Squid estimated 46 ft max size. The giant squid is not that much smaller females at 43 feet. Then there is aberration in nature so who knows how large they could get. Here is one attacking a sperm whale which may be 50 to 60 feet long. Ships of the times of your myths on average were not longer then the whale. We all know how the truth of a story gets blown out of proportion in its telling. The Kraken may just be myth and the species that really attacked them is still out there.

__________________
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving in a pretty, pristine body but rather to come sliding in sideways, all used up and exclaiming, "Wow, what a ride!"
Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Tulare, CA
Posts: 1783
Good Answers: 35
#5
In reply to #2

Re: Maybe the Kraken Was Real!

10/27/2011 11:52 AM

The Truth is out there.

__________________
Why is there never enough time to do it right the first time but always enough time to do it over?
Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Tulare, CA
Posts: 1783
Good Answers: 35
#7

Re: Maybe the Kraken Was Real!

10/27/2011 12:22 PM

Let's get cracken on the Kraken.

I knew they were real, I saw one in a move once.

What I don't understand is why did Posiden keep him caged up?

Why would he want to return to the cage?

Why would he settle for just one virgin, I'm sure he could have eaten a couple hundred in one sitting?

How did he know they were virgins and why would he care? If the girl was pregnant, wouldn't that be like eating Balute from the Philippines?

How much did he get paid for making an appearance in that movie?

__________________
Why is there never enough time to do it right the first time but always enough time to do it over?
Reply
Reply to Blog Entry 10 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

Gazu (1); Janissaries (4); ozzb (1); pnaban (2); xanasax (2)

Previous in Blog: A Beagle With Bronchitis   Next in Blog: A Genus May Become Extinct – The Endangered Hirola

Advertisement