Aerospace Blog Blog

Aerospace Blog

The Aerospace Blog is the place for conversation and discussion about aeronautics, astronautics, fixed-wing aircraft, future space travel, satellites, NASA, and much more.

Previous in Blog: If You Missed This Year's Paris Air Show…   Next in Blog: Growing Mass of Junk Imperils Astronauts and Satellites in Earth Orbit
Close
Close
Close
5 comments
Rate Comments: Nested

Truth and Lies in SETI

Posted July 23, 2015 1:05 PM by HUSH

Let's get one thing straight, despite several well-publicized reports that the comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko, currently home to the European Space Agency's Philae lander, is home to an "abundance of alien microbial life:" humanity is not any closer to finding alien life. In fact, to say those claims are sensationalistic is an understatement.

The idea that 67P is home to alien life comes from astronomers Chandra Wickramasinghe, University of Buckingham, and Max Wallis, University of Cardiff. Wickramasinghe has been in the news before; he's most famous for the concept that the building blocks for life were deposited on Earth by comets with biological specimens.

He's used the notoriety to springboard other, less accepted ideas, such as the idea that the SARS virus and the airborne spores that caused rainfall in Kerala to turn a reddish hue both had extraterrestrial origins. He cites a layer of black organic crust found by Philae as evidence that life teems under the comet's icy surface. Such microbial organisms could have salts that prevent them from freezing even at temperatures of -40° C, and are responsible for the regeneration of the hydrocarbon crust, which is depleted as it speeds through space.

This created a flurry of interest in the comet and the Rosetta mission, but it was ultimately misleading. The presence of black hydrocarbons was an expected feature, predicted in 1986, naturally created by organic molecules exposed to cosmic rays and light. Wickramasinghe also said that Philae is unable to detect life, which is also not true. Philae would be able to measure quantities of organic chemicals that might indicate active biology-there are currently no measurements to support claims of life. Try as Wickramasinghe might, finding life on a comet is going to be a needle in a haystack.

Finding two needles in a haystack is twice as likely, but seemingly as improbable: that about explains the odds of the new $100 million Breakthrough Listen radio telescope campaign of finding alien life. The venture is funded by Russian billionaire Yuri Milner, who feels the time is right to launch a massive renewed search for extraterrestrial radio signals in the "quiet zone," a spectrum between 1 and 10 gHz that is unaffected by cosmic sources or Earth's atmosphere.

The search will cover ten times more listening area than any search before. The $100 million will pay for thousands of hours of radio telescope time at the Green Bank Telescope in West Virginia and the Parkes Telescope in Australia, as well as office and workshop space at the University of California. This immense project has attracted the likes of famous astronomers Frank Drake, Geoff Marcy and Stephen Hawking. Breakthrough Listen will also implement SETI@home, which allows amateurs to use their personal computers in the search.

Milner has accepted that Breakthrough Listen likely won't find anything interesting, as has said that he'd consider funding it for more than the current cycle. Marcy himself said it's possible that they're not even looking for the right evidence. However SETI funding has been in such a steep decline, that sometimes things like exaggerating what's been found on a comet might be necessary to pique interest. It does more harm than good to the cause in the end, but some publicity is better than no publicity.

Reply

Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.
Guru

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: About 4000 miles from the center of the earth (+/-100 mi)
Posts: 9912
Good Answers: 1141
#1

Re: Truth and Lies in SETI

07/23/2015 1:55 PM

We haven't proven that there isn't life on the comet!

Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 42355
Good Answers: 1693
#2
In reply to #1

Re: Truth and Lies in SETI

07/23/2015 7:20 PM

There's no Starbucks.

Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member Fans of Old Computers - Commodore 64 - New Member Popular Science - Evolution - New Member United States - Member - New Member

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Illinois, 7 county region (The 'blue dot' that drags the rest of the 'red state' around during presidential elections.)
Posts: 3683
Good Answers: 89
#3
In reply to #1

Re: Truth and Lies in SETI

07/24/2015 10:08 AM

I'm not sure if we've proven that there is intelligent life here on Earth!

Have you SEEN the ad campaigns being run by all the candidates for the 2016 US Presidential elections? We're not even to the primaries yet, and already both sides seem to be throwing out hopefuls that would make Screaming Lord Sutch(1) seem like a good choice by comparison.

Notes

  1. Founder of the Official Monster Raving Loony Party in the UK.
__________________
( The opinions espressed in this post may not reflect the true opinions of the poster, and may not reflect commonly accepted versions of reality. ) (If you are wondering: yes, I DO hope to live to be as old as my jokes.)
Reply
Guru
Hobbies - Musician - New Member

Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 523
Good Answers: 17
#4
In reply to #3

Re: Truth and Lies in SETI

07/24/2015 1:13 PM

I'm not sure that, using data drawn from the US, we can extrapolate the "lack of intelligence" hypothesis to include the entire planet. Unless, perhaps, you add the data point headquartered at 405 East 42nd Street, New York, NY, 10017.

Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member Fans of Old Computers - Commodore 64 - New Member Popular Science - Evolution - New Member United States - Member - New Member

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Illinois, 7 county region (The 'blue dot' that drags the rest of the 'red state' around during presidential elections.)
Posts: 3683
Good Answers: 89
#5
In reply to #4

Re: Truth and Lies in SETI

07/24/2015 1:59 PM

I've spoken with friends from other nations, and the general consensus is that NOBODY has confidence that their government is being led/run by people in the 'average' range of IQ or above.

The US is just providing a good example of the unvarnished lunacy that goes on 'behind the scenes' in most other governments.

One of the problems with the UN is that all they can really do is give the equivalent of 'stern glances of disapproval' when a member nation chooses to ignore a UN mandate. Another is the fact that they have to phrase things so as no to offend anyone, even when they are talking about two nations that mutually refuse to recognize the other's right to exist. For all its bluster, the UN is like a nanny tied to a bedpost, the only way to enforce anything is to try and convince the bigger, stronger kids into bullying the rest into line. And that's not even easy because some of the 'big bullies' either actively or quietly hate each other, and will tend to try to work against each other when one is trying to enforce Nanny's words.

__________________
( The opinions espressed in this post may not reflect the true opinions of the poster, and may not reflect commonly accepted versions of reality. ) (If you are wondering: yes, I DO hope to live to be as old as my jokes.)
Reply
Reply to Blog Entry 5 comments
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

adreasler (2); lyn (1); reward54 (1); Rixter (1)

Previous in Blog: If You Missed This Year's Paris Air Show…   Next in Blog: Growing Mass of Junk Imperils Astronauts and Satellites in Earth Orbit

Advertisement