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Motherhood and Science Don't Mix?

Posted May 14, 2008 4:50 PM by julie
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In which sector do women have it worst? According to a new report by economist Sylvia Hewlett and her co-authors, science comes out looking bad as usual, this time in the private sector. Women are 41 percent of entry-level hires in science, technology, and engineering firms. But 52 percent of them leave. Hewlett, the founder-director of the Center for Work-Life Policy, points out that women's careers stall out somewhat more between the ages of of 35 and 44. (That's when 46 percent of women leave these jobs, as opposed to 40 percent between the ages of 25 and 34, and 40 percent between 45 and 60.)

The timing of the drop-off matches the findings of Mary Ann Mason, former graduate dean at UC-Berkeley, about women with kids in academia. Mason shows in her book Mothers on the Fast Track that mothers more often leak out of the pipeline to tenure after they get their Ph.D.s, and when they come up for associate professor, than when it's time for the tenure decision. It's that 30s and early-40s crunch, when jobs are most demanding and so are kids, if you have them. Mason asked science postdocs, who tend to be in their 30s, about whether they were thinking of leaving the field. Fifty-nine percent of women with children said yes, compared to 39 percent of men with children and 39 percent of single women without children. Those numbers look at lot like Hewlett's drop-out figures.

Hewlett thinks women are tripped up in science, tech, and engineering by the usual suspects: an entrenched sexist culture, the demand to work extreme hours, lack of support, etc. Of the 1,493 women she surveyed (along with 1,000 men), 63 percnet said they'd experienced sexual harassment. Men and women complain at nearly the same rates that they're isolated and lack mentors, but women are substantially more likely to say that the path to career advancement is mysterious, and to worry over juggling work and family (that last stat is 57 percent of women vs. 14 percent of men). Hewlett makes a strong pitch that companies can address all of this—and that rather than chasing workers from around the globe, they should, especially since this is a sector of the economy that's still growing. Her accounts of model programs makes you think that if a firm just makes it clear that it cares about retaining women, it can. Hewlett also found that it doesn't take that much: If a mere 10 percent of women are managers, for example, "all the key variables change dramatically."

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Re: Motherhood and Science Don't Mix?

05/15/2008 8:11 AM

In the US, the average engineer changes careers after about 9 yr. That would be age 30, and includes both men and women.

Engineering is a great job, but our companies tend to look at us as comodities. After a few years, they want a cheaper vendor.

My guess is that many of these women, just like the men in engineering, are moving into management, sales, or other fields where the background is useful and treatment is better.

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05/15/2008 8:55 AM

The money is better!

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05/15/2008 9:56 AM

Just a few thoughts on this from the perspective of a female engineer in her mid-40s with about 20 years of professional experience (including several years managerial experience) who has also juggled motherhood and eldercare responsibilities:

1. You have to conduct yourself like an equal and expect equal treatment in order to receive equal treatment with regard to gender.

2. You have to decide what your priorities are and make some difficult choices and sacrifices.

3. Many of the industries in which we work are cyclical (i.e. petroleum, petrochemical, etc.) and employment levels will fluctuate accordingly. Does the study you mentioned take this into account?

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05/15/2008 4:02 PM

Amen! I've got the same perspective as you (although my experience in eldercare has been limited). I agree with your comments 100% - especially the first one. I like the way that you used the word equal, implying that you can't conduct yourself or expect treatment any lesser OR GREATER than your male colleagues if you want to be treated the same. I've seen too many cases where women in a predominantly male workplace want to be treated with more respect than their male counterparts - this is not the way to achieve equality and generally ends up failing by making others uncomfortable.

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05/17/2008 4:25 PM

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Your analysis of cyclicality is spot on as a relevant confounding factor.

Especially since we're essentially on the first significant class of Female technical talent as a percentage of the talent in the workforce.

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05/15/2008 10:11 PM

I find this very disheartening. I would think that surveys like this add to sexual bias when hiring women. I've been told that when a woman reaches about 30 in engineering finding a job is a lot more difficult, since a woman will start having kids around this age. I find this incredibly unfair to assume that the woman will shoulder the responsiblities of a family and this responsibility can not be split with a spouse. Or that having kids makes you less productive at work. Really, this perspective on life promotes the woman being the only one to know their kids and the father in order to progress at work will never truly know his kids, which is very disheartening. Why have kids at all. Work work work, is there anything more to life, according to the survey it is either work or kids.

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05/18/2008 5:05 PM

I find this incredibly unfair...


It is also illegal.

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05/27/2008 6:07 AM

What do you mean?

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