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Interesting Relativistic Orbit-2

Posted May 21, 2008 2:02 AM by Jorrie

In my previous Blog post I have shown the smooth orbit of a single particle around a single, isolated black hole. I have since developed the algorithm for the orbit of a test particle around a pair of identical, non-rotating black holes, in circular orbit around each other.

The pretty chaotic 3 dimensional orbit is shown in on the left. The holes started on the x-axis and the black arrows on the circle indicate their final positions. The particle started at the red arrow and entered a pseudo orbit around the right-hand black hole (on left-hand image), into which it eventually falls after about 2.2 orbits of the black holes around each other.

The dimensions of the plot are: The black holes are separated by D = 50Rs, where Rs = 2GM/(rc2) and M is the mass of each black hole. The holes orbit at a constant speed of Vo = √[M/(2D)] = 0.0707c. The particle starts at x = 25Rs, y = z = -15Rs, with a velocity vector tweaked to produce an interesting (chaotic) orbit. If the particle's speed were 20% more, it would have quickly escaped from the binary holes due to a gravity-assist flyby effect from the right-hand hole, despite the fact that it started at below escape velocity. If its speed were 20% less, it would have quickly been swallowed by the right-hand hole.

Readers are welcome to question me on the issues around binary black holes. I'll answer as far as I'm capable of - I'm still learning this scenario myself...

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05/22/2008 10:51 AM

Nice work! My question: Is there such things as non-rotating black holes? With all the angular momentum of the accretion disc, how much of this gets transferred into the black hole, and does the black hole retain the angular momentum of the original collapsing star?

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05/22/2008 12:50 PM

Hi Cardio07.

My guess is that all black holes have some rotation, although some may be rotating slowly enough to make them approximately non-rotating. The final supernova explosions that creates black holes are not guaranteed to be symmetrical and that may remove some of the angular momentum of the original star.

The orbits around spinning black holes are horrendously complex and I'm taking it one step at a time. My next 'project' may be rotating black holes, but not until I understand the scenario of the non-rotating ones, if ever...

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05/26/2008 4:40 AM

Another factor influencing the spin of the individual binary neutron stars is tidal gravity, which tends to lock the spin to the orbital period over time. Whether this is true for binary black holes, I'm not sure of.

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05/28/2008 12:42 AM

In my quest to understand black holes better, I came across this excellent paper by Jenna Levin et. al: http://arxiv.org/abs/0802.0459 (Jenna is the author of the popular "How the universe got its spots").

They show that there exist analytical solutions to certain complex, but closed orbits around black holes, even rotating ones and even in the strong (near-) field regime. This is very promising and it gives me a tool for checking my own analysis against some reference.

Here are two of the more interesting cases that the paper discusses, plotted from my program, for a static, non-rotating hole (still working on rotating ones):

This 'four leaf clover' orbit repeats itself indefinitely, provided that nothing disturbs it, of course. Each 'leaf' consists of two 'twirls' around the hole plus a 'zoom' to the apastron point and back.

Give the particle just a tiny amount of extra energy and the pattern starts to precess in the direction of the orbit, giving this stunning picture:

Cool! It looks very 3-dimensional, but it's just an optical illusion - the orbit stays on one flat plane...

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06/14/2008 8:10 PM

Hello, everyone,

Jorrie, are you saying that the actual particles orbit is two dimensional at the distance stated from the black hole, or am I confusing the road map for the territory?

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06/15/2008 12:49 AM

Hi Ari.

All four 'leafs' are traced by the complex path of a single particle orbiting the black hole in one plane only. My x and y coordinates are chosen so that we look perpendicularly onto that plane, i.e., the orbit never veers off into the z-direction.

The fact that you 'see' 3-d in the picture is an optical illusion caused by the patterns. It is as if you look at a colorful map of a perfectly flat surface, where the apparent relief is just an optical illusion.

This planar behaviour of orbits only holds for orbits of an isolated particle around an isolated, non-rotating,* spherically symmetrical massive object, like a Schwarzschild black hole.

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* It is also true for equatorial orbits around a spinning spherically symmetrical massive object.

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