Nanotechnology and religion

Sorry, I live in the US and the level of rhetoric and passion is so high I won't go near any discussion as it pertains to Nano, stem cells, evolution, abortion, genetic engineering, or any of hundreds of other issues.

Because the blogs and forums are both indexed by the search engines, I would recommend users post anonymously to comment on anything as emotional and possibly job endangering as this topic. I would also recommend some function that allows the entire thread to be selected to All Anonymous for freedom and safety.

And yes, I am sorry my country has come to this.

You didn't state which side of the debate you are on.

If asked about this issue a couple of years ago, I would definitely been on the side of scientific "progress", but I have learned some things in this past year or so that are so horrific and frightening I am in disbelief. I think we started going wrong at least as far back as splitting the atom and then Watson and Crick's work. What Feynmen proposed in 1959 had more truth than sci-fi speculation.

Research:

OSU - Wymore - Morgellons

Hildegarde Staninger - Morgellons

Vitaly Citovsky - Morgellons

GMO's - Morgellons

I have been converted to the religious views regarding all of this, and have even begun to subscribe to the "End Times" scenario that has become more and more prevalent in current thinking.

Science has stepped over the precipice from which there is no return. GMO's are irreversible and will proliferate. And "citizens" are now capable of making new life forms through genetic engineering right in their own homes. What happens when some of these turn out to be viable?

Really good interview with a Singaporean on the box recently working in gene research - search on "chimera"

Astutely pointed out that as humans "if it can be done, it will be done."

Our opinions really don't matter, and the only ability to steer or control the wave is through engagement.

It's not that we have let the genie out of the bottle - there never was a bottle.

So the only input we could get on where all this goes is by leading the research, finding the dangers, setting standards, organizing international bodies to enforce those standards.

Much like when we started working with pathogens. We helped write the standards for how to safely work with smallpox in a lab, how to store experiments, how to dispose of experiments. And you cannot order smallpox samples unless you are a lab.

Instead due to what I feel to be an overly religious un-scientific approach to genetic work we have failed to prevent mailing away for the materials to do your dining room experiments and flush them down the toilet.

Our choice of dis-engagement has resulted in chaos. Flip side is, many of these fields are in the same stage when the Curies poisoned themselves and others, we haven't gotten to the point wherein shoe stores have foot x-ray machines that poison thousands as we did for years in the US.

See? No moral choice involved. Engagement means control, sticking your head in the sand means opting out of control. As to the moral cowardice involved with sticking our heads in the sand I cannot comment.

As for the end times...what can I say

People have been marching into the wilderness as long as we have had people. So far they have all marched back. All of them have had absolutely sincere beliefs.

When the bible said "No man KNOWS the day nor the hour," I personally took it as a sign that I wasn't to spend my time looking. Seemed like the message was to be productive and useful HERE, and the end should surprise me in the middle of serving others.

As to what others should believe - I have absolutely no opinion. Does it serve you and others? Is it productive? It is probably good.

I think the biggest problem is that our scientific advances are not at the same level

as our spiritual/moral development. This needs to change now. An example of this is a French documentary called The World According to Monsanto. It shows how Monsanto is spreading GMO's around the world and its total lack of morality including controlling the FDA which is supposed provide food safety. Here is a link to it.

http://www3.nfb.ca/webextension/monsanto/

(by the way I believe this was not shown in the US).

For five years I have suffered with painful symptoms which seem to be Morgellons. Around 14,000 families in the US have registered as having this. It seems to exist around the world (Europe, Australia, Canada).

http://www.morgellons.org/

Under political pressure in the US, the CDC opened an investigation on it one year ago.

Why is it taking so long for this disease to be recognized and a cure on its way???

Our reach always exceeds our grasp (to paraphrase) else how would we grow? It really isn't possible for most to sit, contemplate the unexperienced, and derive wisdom from it.

Not to inject excess humor into such a solemn discussion, but reflect on the adage:

"Good judgement is the product of experience; experience is the product of bad judgement."

There is more wisdom there than humor.

We as a people have "been on the brink" every time we turned around. Every new technology challenges us with new questions. As it ever has been.

Will we make mistakes with any new technology - yup.

Will the price frequently be high - yup. For individuals, generally not for the group.

Have there always been people willing to blame new technology for unrelated effects? - yup.

And yet we go on, not only surviving, but better every generation. Even if I KNEW it would come to an end shortly, why would I not contribute to that noble end of improving us?

There is a wide spread misconception about the true meaning of religion. In essence, 'religion' actually means 'the search for true meaning', but unfortunately people have made it into something that it is not.