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Electronics360: "Higher-Cost Car Batteries: Better Batteries or Ripoffs?"

09/13/2017 12:00 PM

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Re: Higher-Cost Car Batteries: for trucks -- ultracapacitors

09/21/2017 11:47 AM

Consider Maxwell Technologies ESM12300031 Ultracapacitor Engine Start Module -- Although it is expensive, This product will allow a truck or generator diesel engine to start with a completely discharged battery system at -20C to start. The charge is stored on several 3000 Farad (yes Farad) ultra-capacitors. An integrated circuit balances the discharge of the capacitors as they discharge when the starting load is called for. The unit replaces one of four batteries typically installed in a Truck or Gen-set. Check it out!

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Re: Higher-Cost Car Batteries: Better Batteries or Ripoffs?

09/21/2017 10:56 PM

Lead acid batteries are Junk,they always have been Junk, (Sulphation) is the Big problem,and when you Desulphate them,you must also remove the Non returned, Lead Sulphate, from the electrolyte/Acid,you must then add new electrolyte/Acid, to clean it up after removing it.They are temperature sensitive, to Sulphation above or below 78 Degrees F. Nickel Iron Batteries Ni/Fe from China, ordered via the Alibaba website has been the way Most Solar off Grid homes, are going,Chinese manufacturers make a 12 Volt vehicle Ni/Fe Battery.The Price of US Ni/Fe Batteries is why were forced to buy them from China.There is only one Edison type Ni/Fe Battery manufacturer in the US in Montana, and they are very expensive.The Maxwell Ultra Capacitor modules, are a nice, alternative to Batteries, but there expensive as well. We need the Standard Nickel Iron Edison type Battery for Cars,Better yet a (DIY) a Do It Yourself version, which uses High Nickel Stainless Steel, and Iron version, we can make our selves.For both Cars, and for Off Grid Power Storage Batteries. Now if someone can make a Ultra Capacitor Module, which can pulse it's current out, in a Steady state current,from several UC Banks, say Like a Mosfet H- Bridge setup,in a dual Battery/UC Module,and this module could sustain a steady current,while charging the UC's,Maxwell's Modules do this,but not cheaply,and there not large enough,for Off Grid Storage.Battery/Inverter systems which need a great deal of Capacity the Ni/Fe from China are Rated up to 1000 Ah's.Yes need an (Economical) replacement for the Lead Acid Battery, and we need it Now.

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Re: Higher-Cost Car Batteries: Better Batteries or Ripoffs?

10/02/2017 10:21 PM

the nife batteries have a very long life time , we used to repair them after they get shorts, we used in eastern Europe Russian made nife batteries in the end of the past century which we salvaged from WWII tanks, here in the US the last nife factory was closed down after a led-acid battery manufacturer purchased it ad closed down the formidable competitor --the nife battery does not fit the America business model it last to long, environmental friendly and if it is produced in large quantities it is much less expensive that the led acid battery, also are much more robust, more reliable, because of that aircraft, telecommunication companies and railways still using it. It requires a bit different charging system that led-acid batteries, but with modern solid-state circuits it is not one issue.

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Re: Higher-Cost Car Batteries: Better Batteries or Ripoffs?

09/22/2017 12:52 PM

John Goodenough, a Professor at the University of Texas, and his Team,of Engineers, has developed a (Solid State Battery) which uses a Glass Electrolyte I,am assuming a Doped Glass?,for use of the Ions in the Glass at the Junctions somewhat like a Transistor . If this SSB can be coupled with, Maxwell Ultra Capacitors, to form an Ultra Capacitor Module/Battery, this would be a Better Battery.The Article is at (www.greenoptimistic.com/solid-state-battery-20170304/) it's just a non technical article. We need to use a "Reverse Bias Semiconductor", in a NON Destructive Breakdown,or Avalanche current mode. I propose using Cintered Nano Carbon,for it's massive surface area, the Maxwell Ultra capacitors, should also use the Nano Carbon spheres as well,for the pocket plate material,this would then have a uniform size, and uniform pocket plate area, which at present the pocket plate material used in the Maxwell UC's material, does not yet use at present,also the 6 electrical contact points of carbon, ensure contact with surrounding (Nano spheres),since Carbon Nano Tubes are not yet able to be manufactured on a large scale. A doped Glass electrolyte, and the Nano Carbon coconut shell Carbon spheres,which are one of the cintered electrodes,i would also use plates, made of many micro machined,Taylor cones, Taylor cone 1/2 angle Sharpened points,used as a (Lens),(Lensing) charges into a Coherent Beam,or cooper pairing, were any two or more Likes, can attract.To increase the Charge energy/Density.

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Re: Higher-Cost Car Batteries: Better Batteries or Ripoffs?

11/01/2017 12:29 PM

While we wish for something better than the venerable lead-acid battery, most of us must still put up with them in our motor vehicles. I have found that the greatest reliability issue is corrosion of the terminals and cable ends. The source of this corrosion appears to be leakage of small amounts of battery electrolyte through microscopic cracks in the seal around the battery posts. The cracks are caused by radial (sideways) torque on the battery posts generated while tightening or loosening the battery clamp bolt. I've had very good success preventing the cracking and corrosion by firmly gripping the cable end of the terminal and applying a counter-torque to the force exerted by the wrench on the clamp bolt (think of it as preventing the battery post from bending, and you'll get the proper direction and magnitude of the counter-torque). Of course, if you already have terminal corrosion issues, the horse has left the barn, and you'll have to remember this when you replace the battery.

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