Joined the group to find ammo to defeat a scam being perpetrated on friends, concerning a perpetual motion machine.

There's a fellow passing himself off as an engineer, who is using a YouTube video of someone in Australia as proof that "over unity" really works. They've duped a couple of dumb but really great folks into spending loads of hard earned retirement money for nothing but their own dishonest purposes.

This is the worst of the worst. Dummies that can afford to lose cash, deserve to be fleeced, maybe, but an old honest fellow and others that will wind up on begging for food, when all the money's gone isn't' right.

I've given one of them stuff from the US Patent Office websites that should convince anyone, except the Patent Office has to pull its punches, since someone won a lawsuit or two against them, for denying a patent pending number, just because the office thought it fraudulent.