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Putting Two Different Networks on the Same Subnet Mask

04/18/2015 10:51 AM

Hello everybody !

This is the Issue: Two buildings,each other are located to 2000 feet, the first site has a network with the ip range to 192.168.1.1/24,the second site has different ip range so now we just put it on 192.168.1.1/2, so now i want to connect them together to allow devices connected to the first site can see each device connected to the second and vice versa,the sole reason for that is because of an IP /BPX connected to the first site networking so we want to extend some extensions to the other site. So if anyone has an idea on how to connect two network with same ip range together from a large distance such as 2000 feet like i describe above,i'd very appreciated that.

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Re: Put two different Network on a same subnet mask

04/18/2015 3:47 PM
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Re: Putting Two Different Networks on the Same Subnet Mask

04/19/2015 5:45 AM

Hi,

There's a quick and dirty way of doing this and there's a more expensive but technically better way.

Here's the quick and dirty way:

1. Put all of your devices on the same IP subnet - ie 192.168.1.0/24.

2. Lay some fibre between the buildings. If you need gigabit between the buildings then you need to think about the type of fibre you are using. If it is less than 550m then you can use OM3 multimode fibre, if it is further you will need OS1 singlemode fibre. If you only need this for voice, you would get away with 100M, in which case you can go for 2Km on OM3. The costs of the fibre are about the same, but you will pay more for SFPs in the switches for singlemode.

3. Get yourself a couple of network switches with SFP uplink ports. Buy some SFPs of the correct fibre type (SX for OM3, LX for OS1).

4. Plug everything together and you should have comms.

The downside of this approach is that the fibre link between the two buildings is a pinch point and if you are sending both voice and data between the two buildings, it is quite likely you will run into voice quality problems due to the link being filled up with data.

The better and correct way of doing this is as follows, however unless you are pretty familiar with data networking, this is probably going to be difficult for you to do without help.

1. Create VLANs to split up the network traffic. Eg Site A would have a Voice VLAN = 10, a Data VLAN = 20. Site B would have a Voice VLAN =30 and a Data VLAN = 40.

2. Different IP subnets would be allocated to the VLANs. Eg VLAN 10 = 192.168.10.0/24, VLAN 20 = 192.168.20.0/24, etc.

3. A Layer 3 switch would be implemented on Site A to route between the VLANs. Prioritisation would be set in the L3 switch to prioritise the time sensitive voice traffic.

4. The L3 switch would have a fibre SFP in it for the Site B link and a normal (L2) switch would be installed on Site B for the other end of the fibre link. The L2 switch would also need to be capable of prioritisation of the voice VLAN.

This is a much better solution because it keeps broadcast and multicast traffic off the fibre link and segregates and prioritises the voice traffic.

I hope that helps.

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04/19/2015 12:59 PM

Thank you very much to your reply, I read it all ,your great tuto. But I don't think that the Customer would want to use a such of fiber, so there is a way to do it without any fiber ? Thanks!

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04/19/2015 1:13 PM

Yout can bridge two buildings with wireless bridges. If you don't put something decent in, it will be nothing but trouble with reliability and voice quality problems. How many handsets ate you supporting?

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04/19/2015 10:40 PM

Can't see why that is OT...

So you have your IP addressing issues under control but the distance is now a barrier?

Too far for UTP...why won't the customer want to install OF?

Good quality point to point wifi with high gain antennae at each end would work unless LOS is an issue.

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04/20/2015 4:15 PM

I thought UTP was good for 1000 meters, the OP is only 610 meters apart?

[edit] Crap it's 100 meters. My apologies

  • Run fiber!
  • Directional wireless - good for 1 to 30 miles. http://www.gnswireless.com/bridgekits.htm
  • Long distance copper wire up to 10,000 feet - https://www.perle.com/products/ethernet-extenders.shtml?gclid=CLqMs-bYhcUCFdCTfgodgWwArQ

I have not used these companies nor do I work for them, I am just showing what a simple GOOGLE search reveals.

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Re: Putting Two Different Networks on the Same Subnet Mask

04/20/2015 5:21 AM

Comments nos. 3, 4, and 5 are perinent and clearly not off-topic.

Yet all three received precisely five OT votes. Is there a conspiracy going on here?

I'm curious to see what happens to this (OT) comment.

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04/20/2015 11:52 PM

So, what will you do?

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Re: Putting Two Different Networks on the Same Subnet Mask

04/28/2015 8:10 PM

I use the Ubiquity 5 GHz Air-Fiber units. They will give you 1.2 Gbs for up to 100 KM. They are fairly simple to set up, and they act as an intelligent bridge. I use them for radio system repeater links for audio & data.

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