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Pulsed Compressed Air?

07/02/2015 9:33 PM

I am taken with the difference between good sound ideas and good sounding ideas. Just read that a new valve saved air by rapid on/off pulses that could save as much as 45% of the compressed air volume being used.

I am a doubter. It seems that the pulsed supply valve is trying to emulate a alternating electrical voltage where 120 VAC has a power factor reduction below the energy produced by 120 VDC.

Starting with 120 PSIG with compressed air and chopping the flow with on/off pulses would indeed reduce the pressure during flow and "save" compressed air energy. In many or most cases a pneumatic regulator could be used to drop the supply pressure lower also "saving" compressed air.

The most effective saving might be to adjust the compressor pressure down rather than work to charge it to a higher pressure and then regulate the pressure down. That is like making toast by the burn it and scrape it method. Adjusting the compressor would save energy of compression and flowing at a lower pressure as well.

An adjustable orifice responding to a pressure transducer might help if the air flow were variable.

The electrical energy, mechanical wear, and delta-P (pressure drop) across the the pulsating valve, higher supply pressure and limited ability to adjust for flow variations all seem like negatives to me.

Possibly I am just over taken with the NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome. My name is Thomas and yes I am doubting.

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Re: Pulsed Compressed Air?

07/02/2015 9:52 PM

I've got some LynDoor™Industries Air Slick® samples I'll send you.

It is guaranteed to make air up to 50%* slicker so your compressor doesn't have to work so had and your air tools purr like a kitten.

* Results may vary.

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07/02/2015 10:06 PM

Your argument makes sense when you look at it as total work done, but I think the pulse is a form of inertia, which can behave differently.

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07/02/2015 10:08 PM

Maybe it works like a switching voltage regulator versus a linear voltage regulator. When you restrict the flow of air, you are consuming energy. The power loss is equal to the flow rate times the pressure drop. If you cut the flow on and off (and smooth it with a plenum, the equivalence of a capacitor), your air flow is not working against a pressure drop and wasting power.

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07/02/2015 10:36 PM

Such a valve could work theoretically, but misses speed and for sure intelligence to take you to the pressure you want to operate your load.

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07/02/2015 10:48 PM

I assume that the valve in question is the Parker Hannifin air saver. As far as I am aware it is only used for air blow operations where instantaneous pressure is important and where reducing the operational pressure would compromise the process, it's not for pneumatic drives etc. where constant pressure may be essential.

Parker Hannifin is a huge global organisation, it's highly unlikely they would be spruiking a device that does not do what they claim it to do.

Here is some info on the device

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07/02/2015 11:16 PM

OK. That makes sense.

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07/03/2015 2:06 AM

Found a short film showing application when air is not needed continuously but is supplied continuously....basically an on/off switch timed to production line speed...I don't see this as being anything new...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foRho1sMyqQ

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07/03/2015 10:12 PM

For specific applications, there may be a use.

But the general rule of thumb for compressed air is; it takes energy to compress air, and the higher the level of compression, the more energy it takes. Any thing that cuts or reduces pressure before the point of use is wasting some of that energy.

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07/03/2015 10:51 PM

That may be true for single pressure operations, but where the requirement is for differing pressures and volumes at separate locations around a plant, then there is no alternative but to provide the highest pressure required and then regulate down for the lower pressure needs.

Other than that you could well have quite a collection of compressors for specific needs, and while shorter runs can reduce friction and leakage losses, it could easily get out of hand and be far more expensive both in capital costs and running costs in providing stand by compressed air for seldom used equipment.

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07/04/2015 10:53 AM

Yes, often practicality trumps efficiency!!

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07/04/2015 6:38 AM

The idea works in theory and practice, and fine if the pulsed air is suitable for the application. Whether the 'numbers' quoted stack up in terms of 'savings' is another matter. The existence of a ready made device for this purpose eliminates some of the guesswork over the cost of building a diy system to achieve the results.

In terms of theory, a blast of air from an air-gun - say for one second - consumes one cubit foot. It follows that pressing the trigger ten times in one minute will consume ten cubic foot per minute - 30 times a minute will consume 30 cubic foot per minute.

Keeping the trigger pressed will consume sixty cubic foot per minute.

It is fairly easy to see that duration and flow per trigger press will equate to a pulsed output that obviously saves air if the pulses are synchronised with the demand for air.

The PH device seems to provide a ready-made means to do this.

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07/04/2015 10:57 AM

I remember 'scientists' were puzzled by a beetle that could eject a volume of dye much further than it ought to be able, given it's body size. High speed recording showed it was ejecting many smaller amounts in pulses, compressing in a chamber and releasing compressing and releasing.

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07/04/2015 3:28 PM

I am thinking of an amplifier's tank circuit in "other than Class A" conditions -- it works OK (not perfectly -- filters required) with electricity. With compressed air, however, I think that any "gains" would be, at best, dubious. If there was some sort of large ballast on the output, there might some benefit, but...

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Re: Pulsed Compressed Air?

07/05/2015 11:29 PM

Remember that AIR LEAKS are the biggest thieves you can get.

Compressed air is one of the most expensive commodities in manufacturing.

Just repairing all the leaks can substantially reduce your compressed air costs, this is one of the many items that maintenance people should do on an ongoing basis at your facilities, if it isn't then your manager should be hung from the yardarm.

It ain't rocket science.

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07/06/2015 9:02 PM

G A to Solar Eagle for a link to the animated pulse valve video.

No longer do the tentacles of the NIH moster torment me in the wee hours.

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