Inventors Paradox

How much does it cost to build it? How much would people be willing to pay for it?

What does it look like? Would anyone want it? I could cover a house with a concrete dome and achieve the same results - but that's not something anyone would buy.

Insurance companies invest $millions in this kind of research. They are probably your best bet.

Thank-you for answering my e-mail. It is very space age looking. As I have not applied for a patent I can not release the design drawings. Yes I believe that the general consumer will go crazy over it. I have had several close associates asking when they could order it.There is nothing like it, it will stop hurricane winds, tornadoes, fire, and major flooding.

It is not concrete, as you can see the house thru this material that we use for the outside skin of our design. People would pay to secure there homes against major disasters. The cost is determined on the size of the structure. After this hits the market, insurance companies will mandate these in high risk areas. They will probably receive matching funds from the government and it will lower insurance rates.

I will release drawings and schematics if interested parties are interested in manufacturing and distribution licenses. There has to be a confidentiality/non-disclosure/non-compete agreement signed with verification of parties interested in this. I will check for research funding from the insurance industry. We already have the structural/mechanical design and drawings with 3-D drawings. I can be reached at williamssphere@hotmail.com

It's just a sad fact..people won't pay for prevention. I used to work in the medical field. There was never funding for screening or preventative medecine.

I know that is true. The difference is you are saving your life's investment and possibly your life.

Hi Lead Be gone

I hope you have put a copyright on it if its that good you can copyright the design and Ideas, is it earthquake proof

I am in the process of submitting it for a design patent. And yes it will withstand earthquakes.

People some times could not be able to see what an invention can be done , or want more easily projects to support that have no economic risk .

I know about this as i am an inventor too and believe me it is very hard to found a manufacturing firm that can talk about my invention .

It is like as everybody want from you to bring to them with an already structure with out any risk and profits that have already run.

You are right, as I have spent alot of money on this in our R&D department.

It sounds like you propose Shrink Wrapping houses.

This would accomplish your claims.

But, if this is the technology you have based your "invention" on you will not get a patent on it.

I have my travel trailer & boat in New England shrink wrapped every year for exactly the same reasons you claim your invention will do.

No it is not shrink wraping! It is a structural design that is erected around your property.

Lead be Gone,

Your project seems a wonder. I always attempt to keep an open mind but when something seems to good to be true I look for the proverbial hook. More information might help those willing to investigate the attributes of your system do so.

I will be glad to furnish information upon request. I will need a non-disclosure/non-compete agreement signed. I also have to protect our interest, as you can see why. I would prefer that only serious inquires be made with information on there organization and what interest they have (funding/licensing). I thank-you for asking that question.

"Currently we are working on a structure that will encapsulate and protect housing, commercial properties, and industrial complexes and plants from hurricane winds of over 200 mph. This will also protect against flooding up to 15 feet,tornadoes, and fire from drought stricken areas." .... "It is a structural design that is erected around your property."

And you can see through it too? Surely you are putting us on. You are NOT smoking "Prince Albert" in or out of the can! Are You?

Financing would NOT be a problem IF it is an economically viable product or construct.

Can you build this on my property to protect my house for the cost of annual insurance premium?

I assure you I am not smoking Prince Albert in or out of any can or pipe. And yes the material we use with this structure you will be able to see the outline of the house, commercial skyscraper, or oil refinery. And yes it is very cost effective, and I would think your insurance premiums would be lowered dramatically. It is cost effective when you figure the loss of your property and or life.

"And yes the material we use with this structure you will be able to see the outline of the house, commercial skyscraper, or oil refinery."

Sounds to me as if I would be living in a cocoon. No. Thank you very much.

"It is cost effective when you figure the loss of your property and or life."

Cost effective sounds something like 60 to 90% of replacement cost.

If that's the case I'll build above the flood plain, in the south slope of a hill where I can have solar tubular lighting, solar hot water heating for all hot water needs, natural summer cooling due to depth of excavation downhill as well as into the side of the hill. No worries about wind, tornadoes, floods, rain, nor hail.

Sounds like a nice house SS.. but watch out for a mud slide...

Hey ...that used to be something fun when we we kids..

No as you have no Idea of how this structure works, so how can you comment on something without seeing the design.No one said anything about relacement cost. If you are protected by the structure, why would you have replacement cost of your property. This comment was made, that if you are not protected you may have 100% relacement cost and maybe your life. Ya! not everyone wants to live in a berm home.

"so how can you comment on something without seeing the design"

Exactly my previous point. You might have better success here if you were forthcoming with any kind of information we can digest and discuss. I for one am not out to steal your secrets nor am I interested in signing your documents just to have a conversation.

Have you done some innovative power supply research?

I understand that by seeing the design you would have what you needed to discuss it further. But unless you are an investor and signed a confidentiality agreement, it would be ludicrous to put this on the world wide net. You may not or would not think of using that type of information, but several people might. I do appreciate your interest, and my whole point in asking the question of who could I talk to in regards to funding, or did anyone know some organization that would like to look at it was precisely that. I already have scrutinized this design with our R&D personnel.

File for a patent, once you are notified that your application has been accepted you are fairly well protected. As a mater of fact, once a patent is issued someone can "Reverse Engineer" around the Patent. But while the Patent is pending no one knows what your claims are and how strong your Patent is.

So, file for a Patent and then go looking for money. But! You better have a Prototype built to back up your claims or nobody will talk to you about investing.

Good Luck

Thank-you!!! I am in the process now. Thanks for being positive. I did find funding yesterday for this project. We will be building our first prototype in the next 60 day`s.

I think the problem here is it is an Engineering Forum....not an enterprize funding forum.

Hence we are more interested in the Engineering...which you won't talk about.

Yes you are right!!! I thought someone within the group would have the information I needed.

Pie in the sky.

Found funding yesterday. Sit back and watch the pie in the sky!!!

Nolo books has a great book about how to get and why to get a patent. The book is exceedingly good, well written and understandable.

As for funding. Here in austin we have the SBDC (small business dev. center) and they are located elsewhere. We also have a local outfit called 'PeopleFund'. They are so very generous with their time and resources. They led me to SCORE (XX? of Retired Exexutives).

No matter how 'good' your idea isdon't expect people to just rush up with a check book ready to hand over money. If you are seeking a loan you will need a business plan. Visit your local used book store and make some purchases. The real work is just beginning so study up.

Remember what the former CEO of IBM said? "I feel that there is a future global market of about 5 computers."

It doesnt matter what they say, its what you are willing to DO.

Good luck to you. I'll be watching the headlines. Feel free to send a side msg for more info.

http://www.nolo.com

http://www.sba.gov

http://www.score.org

http://www.asbdc-us.org

C_Rummel3 [CR3]

Thank-you for your advise. I believe I may have funding for all (4) projects. I am in negotiations with an organization. Nothing concrete as of yet!!!

Thanks!!!!!!!

I'm not an investor nor do I want to steal your idea and make myself rich. I don't even want to buy your idea for my own house but I'am very interested as to what it is. When you have your patent and the investors make the idea real can you get back to us and tell us what it's all about? Would love to know what this structure is.

Yes I will be glad to discuss it at that point. Thank-you for your response.

Hear. Hear. A Second from the Forum.

Prior to revealing an idea it is best to lodge a Patent Application ( known in USA as a UTILITY Patent) which ' protects how an invention WORKS) rather than a DESIGN Patent, as you mentioned ( known as a Registered Design in some other countries ) which 'protects' the APPEARENCE of something. The use of the word PATENT to protect both workings and appearence, has caused serious misunderstandings re protecting ideas / inventions in US because if an item is made to appear / look different but works the same way you may not be infringed. A patent application ( either provisional or non provisional ) is far better than a confidentiality agreement due to the fact that it may not be easy to prove breach of confidentiality - say, for example, somebody starts using your idea after they learnt of it from a person you revealed it to, how do you prove the connection ? There is no hard and fast rule regarding percentage of change required to circumvent an invention / patent and sending yourself a sealed registered letter - the so called ' poor mans post office patent ' has never been accepted by courts - one of several myths and numerous misunderstandings in the patent / invention field.

Inventing and patenting ( briefly) is all about who has the idea first and lodges a patent specification with their countries patent office, thus establishing their ' internationally recognised 'Priority Date / Rights ' . The inventor then has a year within which to lodge further applications in up to approximately 160 countries ( out of the over 190 countries recognised by the United Nations - additional places also claim to be countries or states). If you lodge a patent application accompnied by a provisional ( cheper and easier ) or non- provisional specification, which explains how your invention works, you do not have to worry if somebody else either surrepticiously or coincidentally claims to have had the idea prior to you ! You can prove otherwis ! A properly kept "Inventors Diary / Lab Book may also enhance your rights, espescially under the US 'First To Invent' Rules and 'Interference Proceadings.'

One may also INNITIATE a patent application simultaneously in 137 countries at the moment via an International Patent Application ( PCT ) and then you may have up to 31 months ( for some countries) in which to take your patent application from the International Phase of the PCT Application to the NATIONAL PHASE of each country in which you eventually wish to have a patent. Note that there is still no such thing as an International Patent - yet !

Also beware of businesses offering to ' HELP you promote / sell your idea - always request verifiable references of success achieved for inventors in your country and check those references - do not accept an answer of " it is confidential. " Generally inventors have a far better chance of success promoting their inventions thmselves rather than PAYING others and expecting good results.

You can not protect the object of your idea - only the particular or specific manner in which you achieve the objective. Others may have the same or a similar idea independently or may be inspired to achieve the objective of your idea from this forum, or in another manner subsequently and provided they achieve the OBJECTIVE in a reasonably dissimilar manner, they may do so, patented or otherwise.

Various people may express aspects of inventing and patenting in various ways but you should keep in mind that to be patentable an idea / invention needs to include a reasonably substantial clever, new, different or inventive step as determined by a patent examiner following a procedure / manual of their countries Patent / IP Office.

Determinations, including infringement may be debatable or ultimately may be decided by a court and you should also bear in mind that Patent Offices do not guarrantee the validity of patents they grant.

Stuart Fox.

Chairman, Inventors Association Of Australia, NSW Australia.

www.inentoz.com sffox@ihug.com.au

Thank-you very much as this helps me allot in moving forward. The information that you have given me is very helpful.

Boy, I don't mean to shoot you down, but I'd be worried about these guys you are trying to get funding through. First off, if you don't have a proto-type already, don't be surprised if the funding dries up. Your confidential statements mean absolutely nothing to the "backer's" cousin. For one thing, as it is now, it is possible a patent lawyer, invention submission company or any public notary to back date you with phony paper. It's real simple actually.

Take my advise and don't go on saying I'm crazy or off the handle please. Because I'm going to I'll let you in on a page of my web-site that will let you in on how the corruption actually works. These patent lawyers who write books aren't going to write about the pitfalls of the patent industry because they don't want to scare you away - and if they told you everything in there books - what would you need a lawyer for. Believe me, I've only found two honest lawyers out of 5 and one just flat out high jacked a patent application that should have been granted five years ago and the cost of that same application is being penalized by $100 every month.

Check out - So you Wanna Be an Inventor

Then at the end of a long web-page at the Doc_6 file, you can read about one of the bad guys in Sydney.

Wake up folks, this is the real world, just because you are trying to do something good, it doesn't mean you will have people patting you on the back saying that you have. And just hope your invention doesn't step on someone's market share, because all hell can brake loose.

Honestly -- best of luck fellow inventors -- watch your back.