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Regarding spectrum analyzer

08/14/2007 2:46 AM

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can anyone help me regarding the noise floor of a spectrum analyzer.wat should the internal noise floor of a spectrum analyzer be normally?? Secondly is there any way to reduce it?.Thanku

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08/14/2007 2:57 AM

The Manufacturers data on the analyser should give you figures.

It depends what you have attached to it!

If you stick a correctly matched dummy load on it then you should see the lowest possible noise floor.

If you have an antenna then you will see the ambient noise in your environment, this can be reduced by trying other locations, just moving a few yards may make a big difference. Or use an anehoic chamber (V expensive)

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08/14/2007 3:00 AM

But if i add a preamplifier to a spectrum analyzer will it reduce its noise floor,

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08/14/2007 4:27 AM

I may be wrong here...but I think the answer is no.

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08/14/2007 9:23 PM

YES

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08/15/2007 6:05 AM

Definitely not - DEL is right. Your amplifier is a REAL amplifier and so puts its own noise to the analysers noise and the signal, so the signal/noise-ratio will be worse. The only components producing no noise are imaginary like L and C, if you have a real component (and your amplifier has, of course), you will have a current or voltage noise, depending on your amplifiers chain impedance.

The only way to reduce your analysers noise floor is -------- buying a better one.
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08/14/2007 3:44 AM

Hi I call it the grass. Some times you can reduce it with special shielding but it depends on the unit.

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08/15/2007 8:08 AM

Depending on the quality of your Specan you can sometimes reduce the internal noise floor by checking internal shielding and grounds as they become very important to that overall noise floor of the instrument. You can however compensate for noise floor by taking an ambient measurement and factoring it into subsequent measurements. However if your noise floor is greated than your anticipated signal its time to get a new better quality specan.

if you are refering to the over all noise floor of a test set up however and not just internal noice floor shielding, shielding, shielding is the answer proper "common" grounds on the power side of the equipment used in the set up and bench etc. . .

Open her up and check the shielding, check the ground of your power source for the instrument. verify internal LO and Mixers are set to spec and it should reduce it to the optimum for this instrument - again the quality of the spec an will determine the floor overall.

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08/15/2007 9:03 AM

As you can probably guess, the more expensive analyzers are going to have a lower noise floor. If you are trying to measure a very low-level signal, the first thing to do is select the narrowest Resolution Band Width (RBW) and span width possible, and make sure there is no internal attenuation selected. If your signal is drifty or noisy, you may have a hard time using lower RBW and spans, because your signal will not stay on the screen.

As others have said, a preamplifier is not going to lower your internal noise floor, because of the inherent noise figure of any amplifier. BUT, if your signal of interest is above the "ambient" noise of your environment, you can use an amplifier to bring that signal above the noise floor of your analyzer. You are raising your signal of interest, not lowering the noise floor of your analyzer, these two are not the same thing. If you are going to use an amplifier, use one with as low a noise figure as you can find. If the amp is narrowband (in the band of your signal of interest) that will help as well.

Also as others have said, the only way to reduce the noise floor of the equipment is to buy better equipment, or improve internal shielding/isolation. Since the specified noise floor of an analyzer is a selling point (lower numbers= more $), most manufacturers have optimized this as much as is economically feasible, and the noise floor is most likely a factor of component selection and design, not lack of shielding.

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08/15/2007 3:42 PM

A trick we used on Hewlett Packard spectrum analyzers back in the old days was to liberally soak the pre amp in Freeze spray. This dropped the thermal noise to a practically undetectable level and increased the sensitivity by at least 3 db or more.

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08/16/2007 6:54 AM

Greetings,

as usual a mixed bag of answers...with some being somewhat less helpful than others
(I have a pet peeve...in cases of very complex issues, which most definitely include the subject of noise & spectrum analysis...not to pick on #5, specifically, 'cause it happens here a lot...but short monosyllabic answers aren't usually too helpful...).

tdesmit got it closest (but I like taejonkwando's idea! - I'd inquire about warranty issues on that one :-)). To answer your primary question: look in the manual, if you don't have one, call the mfr. In fact it's very very difficult to establish the absolute noise floor of anything, especially a specie... As for adding pre-amplification, as others have indicated: it will improve the apparent S/N ratio. Caveat/physics: when you add a pre-amp, you'll get the amplified signal(s) PLUS the amplified 'background' noise PLUS the inherent noise of the pre-amp... Hence, as others have said, git yerself the best sweetest low-noise pre-amp you can.. In my area of work that typically involves $2-5k for a wee little box...

Resource #1 are the venerable HP/Agilent App. notes (I'm just not familiar with the relevant Rohde & Schwarz or Aniritsu tech notes, sorry!)::

http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5965-7009E.pdf (see hint 3!)

http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5952-8255E.pdf (p. 17)

http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5966-4008E.pdf - looks like a Bible, think I'm going to print this one and read it myself..this one will set you straight.

cheers

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