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Not free Energy

08/31/2007 2:53 PM

I have an invention already patented that reaps 2-3 times the use or increased performane out of ordinary batteries? A website has been constructed at www.triplebatterylife.com .

The Question is :

I am wondering what does it take to get someone intereseted in this?

Its not Free Energy (not "Over Unity") . It doesn't use recharging or any other method to help. Not perpetual montion. It simply gets more out of your already paid for batteries. Before you say it won't work please review the video and literature on the website. I have been using this patent for years and it does really work. I have flashlights that should only last 200 hours which I get 800 hours ouf of regularly (on low setting). Those lights would have been great for the recent Utah mine disaster (they said the miners lights would only last a few days?). I have also installed the patent into toy trains (see video) to illustrate better to the layman that it really gets more laps (2+ times the normal). The running time for the same toy (control) train with same type 4 aa batteries is about 2.5 hours. The runnning time using the patent is 13.5 hours. The distance (laps around the track) for the patent version is 2+ times the laps for the control. (which is great in my mind).

I also thought that if I could try it on actual over the road vehicle then maybe someone would be interested. So I installed the patent into an electrric golf cart. The control mileage without the patent using same number of batteries is 15-18 miles. I got 45 miles using the patent. (The batteries for both control and patent were lead -acid). This to is great in my mind.

So why is no one offering to buy a license or at least come look at it?

IF anyone can directly help this into a deal such as licensure or outright sale I am willing to give you 15% of any money I get that results from your arrangement.

Alternatively, if anyone can help me get this into a factory, I for one, know that it will be successful even if only a flashlight (torch) is the only product. I used these during 3 hurricanes here in florida (charlie, frances, and Jeannie) . During charlie and frances the power was out for 5 days each. The lights were on all night and never came close to expiring, (it was a great comfort to me to have that night light on when everything else was pitch black with house boarded up and no light at all ). Another time some friends took the light to their cabin in the N.C. Mtns. They ran it all night every nite for two weeks and after they got back it still ran for a total of 800 hours on the same batteries without changing. It works!

If you don't believe this just check the voltage on your cell phone or torchlight the next time it goes out. You will find that there is about 70% of your original voltage left in the device but just not enough to run your device. The patent overcomes the problem of unused voltage (power = v x a) and gets it out. Typical voltages when the patent it thru with a battery is about .2 - .3. or about 15 - 20 % left. That again to me is great and should show the investigator that this is something to think about.

Please restrict answers to how to get this into the marketplace. thanks. (People who in the past said it would never work now try to tell me why it does work, so I really don't need the headache of trying to convince the unconvincable, if you doubt it get your voltmeter out after you run your cell phone down and check it out ).

Most all "average" engineers don't believe this would work.. but then again they would not have believed in manned flight either until shown the way.

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08/31/2007 3:35 PM

I had a look.

The answer is very simple. Without any sort of technical explanation people will not believe it.

The knack is to explain the principle without giving away the exact implementation.

if you have a patent to protect you maybe you can give more info.

I have designed a battery operated doing pump and am familiar with the limitations of alkaline batteries . Many poor designs expect them to produce 1.5 volts per cell, doubtless most of us here realise you need to run them down to below 1v per cell to get decent life.

I do sympathise, but unless you give me a clue I don't really see that you can do much that I couldn't.... I could add a switched mode supply that steps up even the lowest voltage and charges a big capacitor up to say 1.2v.....

Anyhow, I hope this explains the reluctance.

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08/31/2007 3:42 PM

Welcome to the club! Sometimes the invention itself is the easy part. Building a market is another.

Start looking at trade shows. You just need to keep plugging and root out the right people to get the shoe in the door, but little by little you will crack open the door of opportunity.

Keep networking…

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08/31/2007 4:19 PM

Yes it is patented. Again, I am offering 15% of what could be a massive payoff if anyone of you can arrange a deal or licensure (15% of any money I get related to your efforts).

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08/31/2007 4:30 PM

In terms of increased life time, how does your device compare with the use of a DC to DC converter to suck all the juice out of a battery. Since that is the most common circuit today, it is your main competition, and perhaps where you should focus your efforts.

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09/01/2007 12:02 PM

uh.. well actually I guess I do because there in one i use in the car. But the patent does not use a converter of any kind.

Comparing: I'm unable to compare because its not used for this method although I would presume you might, if you worked at it, get some results ok.. but the question is if you are going to run a torch with a dc dc converter, how will you run the same lightbulb without destroying it.

Also the parts count 'might' be higher for dc dc converter even if you overcome that destructon of the bulb problem.

Also it would take a heck of an expensive dc dc converter to run a car also. But the patent is cheap on parts and construction.

Also with the patent you are not tasked with changing any batteries until all are zeroed out. (women like this alot)

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09/01/2007 12:26 PM

Also converters tend to chew up energy which in a battery operated device is undesirable. The patented system was fined tuned to not use much energy for operations at all . In fact is almost zero (940 nanowatts) when it monitor mode which is the normal operations mode. In another mode it only uses 10 ma at whatever voltage you are running.

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09/04/2007 1:54 PM

Sounds like your device is mostly for larger devices such as cars and golf carts. I was thinking smaller devices like mp3 players and other electronics. In your post you talk about flashlights and toy trains for which a dc to dc converter would work fine. I didn't mean to compare how it functions, I meant to compare the market. In small electronics its common to use a dc to dc converter so that the device can operate until the battery voltage is drained to well below where the device would operate otherwise. Sounds like your invention is meant for a different market, so this may not be a valid comparison.

In the primary battery industry (mostly AA and AAA's) lots of research has gone into engineering the batteries to enable you to get all the power out of them. The more you can make your output curve like a square wave the better. If your device can do this, then you might want to talk to a battery company. Often when a company is looking to incorporate charging or power saving technology into a device, they will ask a battery company for help.

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09/04/2007 3:06 PM

Thanks frank, actually I was thinking it would be good for all types of devices. I have tested it extensively with alkaline both D and AA sizes. It works very well getting the nth degree of energy out of them. It does NOT use a Dc to DC converter. In my opinion I would think that a DcDC converter would actually cost more parts and also use more energy as waste heat. A simple resistive 'tree' circuit would function as dc dc convertiing.. but waste energy as heat across at least one resistor (assuming high dc to lower dc conversion). Also the decision of which voltage to use is an issue with a simple resistive tree . And to speed up and slow down (throttling) , how with resistive tree?

The patent circumvents all this as a method by which there is little if any waste energy. I go so far as to say the waste energy is in the nanowatt range (~0) when the device is in normal operations mode (on). Throttling is easy and is how the golf cart has been clocked at 20mph when needed but normally cruises at 12mph (this is great speed for old ez go 3 wheeler golf cart) and at 12mph gets 45 miles distance.

This method can be used with mp3 and cell phone battery systems. Also envision an micro version for use in hearing aids (they devour batteries as you know and this would be good for that too). Of course a higher wattage version is used in the golf cart and also works well at 2+ normal miles driven between charges as normal. Charging time seems to be about the same as normal (higher amps yes).

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09/05/2007 5:24 PM

You tell Shontelle that I wan't my advancements kept bleepin private! As per the conditions under which I made the bleepin disclosure. I don't need these guys help in any way.

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09/10/2007 12:00 PM

Who exactly is your target market? You should pick one segment and then grow later once you have established the brand name and manufacturing process.

I know a guy that works for Club Car. Have you tried approaching the golf car companies directly?

You will need to be willing to go to the people you are marketing this to. It is a hard sell to get them to come to you and see a demonstration. You will find a few willing to listen, but they won't invest in a trip based on anecdotal evidence and web movies.

Good luck.

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