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Repainting Oxidised Aluminium

07/16/2018 3:07 PM

I have a gas barbeque which has a stainless steel cover and this is supported by what appears to be aluminium sides. These sides were painted and over a period of time, the paint has come off and there is now a white powder on the aluminium. I am assuming this is aluminium oxide. My intention is to wire brush the aluminium and repaint it.

I know that without seeing it, it would be difficult to give a definitive answer but what experience is there for repainting oxidised aluminium. Wire brushing would remove most of the oxide followed by fine sandpaper (wet or dry) but what kind of primer would I need adn what type of paint (I am thinking of using Hammerite paint).

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Re: repainting oxidised aluminium

07/16/2018 3:39 PM

I would just get some aluminum engine paint from the local auto parts store, and I would use some metal prep or acid etch primer....or for a more permanent solution I would go with por15 high temp paint...

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Re: repainting oxidised aluminium

07/16/2018 3:48 PM

Aluminum oxidizes very fast but to a very thin layer. As such you will always be putting any additional protective layer (paint) onto a thin protective layer of aluminum oxide. Unfortunately, the thin oxide layer itself does not bond well to aluminum. This is why a smooth surface will end up with paint readily peeling off. Thus many recommend a mild abrasion or etching to prepare an aluminum surface for paint.

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07/16/2018 4:04 PM

I give redfred a GA for citing the correct, and only, method for dependably painting bare Aluminum.

During my years in the aerospace industry, we used lots of aluminum and always prepared it the way his site instructs.

Look at Alodine 1200 or similar conversion coatings.

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07/17/2018 12:11 PM

"... Unfortunately, the thin oxide layer itself does not bond well to aluminum ..."

Comments by Redfred are typically dependably well vetted and the number of GAs would seem to add some community acceptance to the mix...so it isn't without a little trepidation that I dispute this particular claim.

The thin protective oxide layer bonds well to aluminum in many common environments. This is what confers some corrosion resistence to aluminum. The oxide layer does not slough or easily wipe away and must typically be abrasively removed.

Aluminum may build up corrosion as a white film, but even those levels require effort to remove and what is being removed first does not result in bare metal, but just more oxide. Compare this to mild steel for which evidence of rust removal in the form of brown residue/stains is readily apparent after contact with clothing.

In fact, prepainting efforts to remove the protective oxide layer do not result in application of a paint layer to bare metal. The oxide layer rapidly refoms. The paint is bonding to the oxide layer.

The protective oxide layer that quickly developes on aluminum is hard and tenaciously attached to the undelying aluminum in many common environments.

If anything, the weak point for paint on inadequately prepped aluminum is surface contamination or (more rarely) poor oxide to oxide adhesion or (later) formation of additional oxides or hydroxides..

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07/17/2018 12:40 PM

Absolutely correct! The poor bond is between anything attempting to bond with the very hard aluminum oxide.

You can't win them all.

Thank you for the compliment.

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07/17/2018 1:31 PM

If your recommended procedure followed closely, the paint should adhere very well.

In a well equipped shop (and even a DIY shop looking for success) the Al piece would go directly from a water rinse after etch, while still wet, into the conversion bath.

A properly prepared and etched surface will cause the water to "sheet" or wet and cover the work piece to keep it from coming into momentary contact with any air.

There is also another, more complex and expensive method called anodizing. I do not suggest that you even consider this unless you are willing to pay to have it done.

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Re: Repainting Oxidised Aluminium

07/16/2018 8:58 PM

Pre/under coat via anodizing, followed by final painting.

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Re: Repainting Oxidised Aluminium

07/17/2018 3:19 AM

As you're in UK, Hammerite does most things. I don't know offhand whether it's good for bare aluminium, but it should say on the tin.

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Re: Repainting Oxidised Aluminium

07/17/2018 11:13 AM

The loose white powder indicates that the casting is not pure aluminum, but more likely a 9% or 12% zinc aluminum alloy commonly used in thin sand castings and in die castings. The grille sides are most likely die cast. and the powder is a mix of zinc oxide and aluminum oxide or also potentially zinc or aluminum hydroxide. The problem is that the zinc/aluminum oxides and hydroxides pit and tend to go through the metal rather than passivating on the surface.

You need to get the surface really clean and then mild acid etch, rinse and dry before painting or the white powder will spread under the paint. Any sort of caustic cleaner will eat the metal alive. High temp paint is a must, up to and including silicone based or epoxy high temp paint.

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Re: Repainting Oxidised Aluminium

07/17/2018 3:11 PM

Thank you all for giving advice to my problem. What would seem a simple task is like Topsie - it grows and grows and grows!

I now have to decide what to do in terms of an unsatisfactory quick fix or investing in a more permanent solution. I have asked this question because the bbq belongs to my 86 year old neighbour and he wants to tidy the bbq for when his friends come to visit. I will show him these replies and then decide on the next course of action.

Again, thank you for your guidance.

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07/17/2018 3:16 PM

Get him to buy you a sand blaster.

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07/17/2018 3:19 PM

That may be an answer but the problem of oxides forming may still exist. Also, the cost may exceed a new bbq. The gentleman is 86 years old!

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Re: Repainting Oxidised Aluminium

07/17/2018 4:19 PM

After hearing this, you may just want to wire brush, wipe and paint the thing with some high temperature paint. Two coats, at least.

That SHOULD be good for one or two seasons.

Good luck!

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