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Ralfativity Topic 2: Space is a Form of Time

11/06/2018 4:53 PM

Einstein once said, "Time is what clocks measure." He was only partly right, time is also partly measured by distance separation. This is already self-evident in Don Lincoln's statement, "every object is always travelling through spacetime (not space) at the speed of light. The more velocity it has in space, the less velocity it has in time."

I will show time does not vanish from the face of a time dilated clock, it gets converted into distance separation. Furthermore, if space is indeed a form of time, there is no need for a separate concept of length contraction so it won't be included in these calculations.

Here is a classic STD (spacetime diagram) depicting the twin paradox of Alice at .6c relative to Bob on earth, going out 3 light years and then returning. Bob is depicted as stationary and Alice as moving but in fact both are moving from each others perspective. A single STD cannot properly depict relative velocity and workarounds must be employed to overcome this limitation.

Bob is the blue t-axis and Alice is the red time dilated t'-axis according to the formula t=Yt'. Y is 1.25 at .6c. The blue horizontal line is a line of simultaneity from Bob's perspective and the red is from Alice's perspective. These lines all have the same clock reading to create an artificial present. There's no way for Bob to see what happened across the universe when his clock hits 5 until all the clocks on his line report back to him by the speed of light delay. It's not a true instantaneous present but more of a staggered delayed present showing all events across space that were simultaneous to a particular perspective's particular clock reading (Bob time t=5 in this case).

There is an instantaneous present represented by the purple line. Each frame in the universe is stationary from its own perspective and its own atomic clock ticks out the same proper time at the same time rate. The clocks need to be sync'd at some point but after that, the universal accuracy of atomic clocks takes over and they do not require constant correction and re-syncing. Separation and relative velocity cause the clocks to have different readings from different perspectives. The clock readings do not tell the whole time, some of the time is hidden as distance measurement.

Bob's blue line, where every clock says 5, meets Alice at the 3 ly mark and her clock says 4 even though both clocks started out as 0. The part that's not accounted for is the distance separation has a time value of 1 from Bob's perspective according to the formula

t2=t'2+x2 , t'=t/Y

t=5, t'=4 and x=3 in this example.

the time component of distance at t'=4 is tx=t-t' =1

We can do the same analysis without having to redraw Alice's perspective as stationary.

t2/Y2=(t'2+x2 )/Y2 , t'=t/Y so

t'2=(t'2+x2)Y2 , t"=t'/Y so

Y2t'2=Y2t"2+x2 so from Alice's perspective

t'2=t"2+x2/Y2 and t'x=(t-t')/Y

Alice's t'=4, t"=3.2, x=3 and t'x=.8 which is the distance's contribution to the total time.

I could have just stated t'x=tx/Y but I wanted to show the calculations from both perspectives start out with the same basic formula and that the x2/Y2 component may look like length contraction but it's just a ratio from the derivation. It means nothing special.

Alice at t'=4 has lines that associate it with 3 different Bob times. This does not mean Alice at t'=4 is simultaneously equal to Bob t=5, 4 and 3.2. Alice t'=4 means 3 different things based on whether its from Bob's or her perspective or from the universal instantaneous perspective (which relativity does not formally recognize but I do for ralfativity).

The concept to take away from here is that a clock reading does not tell the whole story about what time it is. Each perspective has it's own clock reading of the delayed present that needs to be corrected by distance's contribution to time. Also there is an instantaneous present that is independent of perspective and connects all proper time readings within all frames.

In future discussions there will also be a perspective based present that is the same as the instantaneous present. The perspective is from an intermediate equal relative velocity to both participants. For example, this perspective would be a line at .33c in the STD above. Not important now.

The next topic will be how Alice's perspective is drawn differently in ralfativity and relativity.

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11/06/2018 5:09 PM

PS. An interesting thing about relativity and the above STD is that t'=4 for Alice also has a line that associates it with Bob time t= 6.8 because of the sudden switch in simultaneity around the turnaround point. Ralfativity doesn't have that problem.

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11/06/2018 6:40 PM

I see.

I’m just going to save us both some time.

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11/06/2018 7:33 PM

I forgot to mention another important point on reading that STD. Because there are no relative stationary or moving perspectives, there are many ways to label the units of the lines. Without going into details, I'm going to stick with the way shown. Moving depictions will have wider spaced units than lines with lower relative velocity depictions.

The most important concept of ralfativity is gamma v. Yv=v'=x/t'. While the 1/slope of the velocity line is .6c using the x and t axes, it's 1/slope in terms of Yv is .75c using the units of the x and t' axes. The slope of the line looks the same but the units change the meaning of the slope. v is indeed limited to the speed of light but since Y can approach infinity, v' is not limited to c.

There will also be an even more radical concept introduced: c' which an unlimited value of c using the mixed perspective of x/t' through frames depicted as moving. This is a fudge factor to overcome the drawing limitation where light seemingly has to travel a lot longer over more space through moving frames. This depiction correction does not affect the real rules for c where it is viewed constant for all perspectives. Depiction, perspective and physical reality need to be meticulously differentiated.

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11/10/2018 8:27 AM

CORRECTION: x2 should have been (x/c)2

to the formula

t2=t'2+(x/c)2 , t'=t/Y

t=5, t'=4 and x=3 in this example.

the time component of distance at t'=4 is tx=t-t' =1

We can do the same analysis without having to redraw Alice's perspective as stationary.

t2/Y2=(t'2+(x/c)2 )/Y2 , t'=t/Y so

t'2=(t'2+(x/c)2)Y2 , t"=t'/Y so

Y2t'2=Y2t"2+(x/c)2 so from Alice's perspective

t'2=t"2+x2/(c2Y2 ) and t'x=(t-t')/Y

Alice's t'=4, t"=3.2, x=3 and t'x=.8 which is the distance's contribution to the total time.

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11/17/2018 6:25 PM

Though I do not exactly understand all of the calculations, it seems that the half that Einstein got right is the half that he said, "for those who believe in psychics, the past (time left behind), the present (time standing still), and the future, (not yet time), are just an illusion". Relativity must put us in that frame of mind, where "thought" and consciousness are a much different "speed" (of neurons). Maybe "illusion" in thought, is just curiosity. Jus sayan .

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11/17/2018 9:07 PM

Your post has saddened me greatly because I googled it and it's true, Einstein really believed in what you're saying. I don't. Velocity and separation create perspective on time. This does not mean time is dependent on perspective. There are 3 examples where simultaneous time between 2 relatively moving frames is independent of perspective:

1. The participants are co-located. It can be for an instant, if they're travelling at a relative velocity, or it can be for longer if there is no relative velocity between them. They share the same present in the present moment instantaneously. They do not have separate perspectives on time.

2. Every frame shares the same proper rate of time within their own stationary frame. If they they feel a force (which is acceleration or gravity) the perspective of their own frame is not stationary so I'm not sure what their rate of time would look like to themselves. All I know is that scenario is outside of special relativity. Anyways, the passage of time for all frames engaged in constant relative velocity is the same, they age at the same rate and share the same instantaneous present but not in the present moment because they are separated by distance. Their clocks all read the same proper time once you compensate for the time component of the distance between them. The time component of the distance between them is "half" the relativistic velocity they share times the distance separation times the gamma perspective.

So at .6c, the half velocity is .33c and if the distance between them is 3ly then the time component of that distance is 1 yr times Y=1 from Bob's perspective. Bob's t=5 and Alice's t=4 in this instance so add 1yr to Alice's t'=4 and the instantaneous present is t=5 for Bob and t'=5 for Alice. In the instantaneous present, they share the same clock reading of their ages.

From Alice's perspective at t'=4 and Y=1.25 @ .6c, the time compensation is 1yr/1.25 = .8yr. So Bob's t=3.2 from Alice's perspective from t'=4 so you add .8 to 3.2 to get t=4 for Bob in the instantaneous present.

This instantaneous present is separated by a distance so it can't be shared in the present moment but it is still independent of the two participants perspectives.

3. The perspective from the "half" relative velocity can see the two participant's clocks in their instantaneous present because the delay of information from the two clocks is equal from this perspective. This is a special case of simultaneity that is independent of the two participant's perspectives.

Einstein got the idea into his head that the lines of simultaneity from a depicted "moving" perspective can include and intersect future or past past times from the depicted "stationary" perspective so he concluded that past, present and future all exist simultaneously. This is great for religious folks who can now believe if you take a ship that's fast enough, you can see your dead uncle alive in the past simultaneously with your present. But it's only the instantaneous present that's real and independent of perspective. Perspective can't share the same instantaneous present unless you are co-located with your dead uncle who will indeed be really dead. Past present and future can't co-exist simultaneously in reality. They look like they can in perspective but because of the delay of the speed of light over a separation means it's impossible to "see" your dead uncle alive in your present.

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11/17/2018 9:36 PM

As an electrical engineer you must know that "conscience thought" is adapted from energy, which is why Einstein had so many wonderful quotes (Google them) . And you can't possibly be saddened by this great man. I disagree all the time but, debate never saddens me. If velocity and separation meant anything, your head would explode. Lucky for us the human brain can control itself (to a certain extent) within its small, miniscule, confines.

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11/17/2018 10:15 PM

I'm saddened because his idea burns any bridge between my theory and his. I knew about this quote but I thought he was just waxing poetic and that Brian Greene came up with the idea that past present and future co-exist simultaneously. I now see relativity has no concept of reality based on an instantaneous present and only has subjective realities based on speed of light delayed perspectives.

It's like saying if you measure a guy 100yds from you is only a thumb high and for him you're only a thumb high then that's reality. No, it's perspective and as soon as he comes over to you, you're both 6 ft high. That's reality, not perspective. However, if he stayed a thumb high right next to you, that would be hard to grasp. That actually happens in the twin paradox. The perspective of age difference persists into reality under the right conditions. The perspective of length contraction does not persist under the same conditions hence it remains perspective and therefore not real.

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11/17/2018 11:16 PM

C= 14.7. minus square root of 3 times - 1 . times X over POJ - R. Where C is conscience. X is 0. P is Perspective Of Jorrie..........solve for R.

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11/18/2018 12:15 AM

Unfortunately most of my descriptions read like this unless one can correlate the words to the STD and understand the STD and algebra; absolutely meaningless otherwise.

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