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Electromechanical Device - I Need Help on This One!

03/27/2019 3:42 PM

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I own a few Alfa Romeo Spiders with a mechanical fuel injection system called a SPICA - see photo 1. A part on the system goes bad every couple years and the cost of replacement has risen to $500 for a rebuild. As an engineer, I've come up with a solution, but I'm not a production guy, so I have no idea how to build it for a reasonable amount of money and I don't know which off the shelf parts are the best to use.

Background info: The SPICA is a mechanical fuel injection system that was originally used in diesel engines in Italy. Alfa decided to start using them in their cars in the late 1960's - it's actually a pretty cool system - it's a belt driven pump (with four tiny cylinders) controlled by a mechanical "computer". Each cylinder pumps fuel into the intake via steel fuel lines. The "computer" receives inputs (barometric pressure, water temperature, throttle position) and adjusts the fuel output. The problem being these parts are now up to 40+ years old, so there's plenty of maintenance/wear issues and OEM parts are not available, so aftermarket and rebuilding is the only option. The part of the SPICA that gives us Alfa owners problems is a variable idle adjustment (helps idle when warming up) called a Thermostatic Actuator (TA). The TA takes the heat from the cooling system (coolant in the engine) and expands freon in a tube to move a lever in the SPICA system. It reminds me of an HVAC expansion valve, but instead of aerating the freon, it's purpose is to move the lever via freon expansion. They say it takes 9lbf to move the lever when the spring is installed.

Idea: My idea is to remove the spring in the SPICA pump (photo 2), use a lower power solenoid to move the lever and a temperature switch to control the solenoid. The original spec is for the lever to move incrementally as the water temperature rises, but most of us are only concerned with the lever being up when cold and down when hot (160 or 170 degrees). When cold, the TA is in it's normal state and the spring pushes the lever up. This tells the SPICA pump to send more fuel than needed (rich mixture) to speed up the warm up cycle, so the engine idles and it'll reduce emissions (get to operating temp quicker). When warm, the TA pushes down on the lever, counteracting the spring and the SPICA pump sends the normal amount of fuel.

One of us Alfa guys created a system that uses a manual switch inside the car to control the solenoid. The problem is two fold. First, the solenoid is so large that the other adjustments can't be done. Second is based on the old choke issue - people forget to turn it off. Running rich for too long isn't good for the plugs and the combustion chamber. See photo 3 below.

I'm thinking of using a thin and long solenoid, removing the spring in the SPICA lever so much less force is required, using a temperature switch to control the solenoid and getting 12V from a switched source with a fuse in line. I want the default to be a lean burn, but when the temp is below threshold (160 to 170), it throws the lever and it runs rich. The solenoid action should be 5-6 mm. The plunger is out when lean - preferably this way with no power, but it needs to be able to hold that position with normal vibration from the engine, so power may be required. When cold, the plunger will pull in and move the lever up to a rich position. Any of these criteria could be changed, except the 160-170 operating temp, 12V DC supply and the 5-6 mm throw. Oh yeah, what would be incredible is if an inexpensive solenoid exists that has a screw on the back where I can adjust the starting position of the throw.

Here are some pictures with important items marked and some notes of mine.

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1. Here's a motor with the SPICA system and a few components marked:

2. Here's a close up of the SPICA fuel pump with the TA removed and the inspection cover off:

3. Here's the system someone has fabricated:

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03/27/2019 6:09 PM

I would go with a brushless dc motor/actuator combo....

Something like this...

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03/28/2019 5:20 PM

The thermal actuator sounds pretty cool. Maybe I can make some sort of cable system to push the lever in the TA. Do you have an idea of how much these things cost?

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03/28/2019 7:47 PM

Well off the shelf pretty cheap...the thing is to get the temperature and travel length correct and that might take some searching....the trick would be to find one already used in this sort of application...

https://www.jackssmallengines.com/jacks-parts-lookup/part/honda/16620z1l841?gclid=cj0kcqjw4fhkbrdcarisacv58_fsgms6ng9udmuxygxtavkuvtfqv6orx3lu71vq18v0kldx_w3wjhoaapw5ealw_wcb

https://www.ereplacementparts.com/thermo-wax-assy-p-1444561.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjw4fHkBRDcARIsACV58_HG8LYrWMkhVVgIMUu-Zaf7fjCmImmiszXd31p48LXFpQti-YW4X8oaArQ3EALw_wcB

...but custom made, who can say, I wouldn't think they would be that expensive...might get it cheap as a sample prototype...

The thing about these is they're so small, could be easily concealed in the housing...with proper mounting that is....whether the heat transfer would be problematic or not, might be the tricky part...Certainly would need some temperature monitoring at the desired location to see if this might work....might need some sort of heat sink...

https://www.vernatherm.com/thermal_actuators.html

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03/28/2019 9:03 PM

It seems like this part should be extremely reliable, cheap to replace and should produce enough force. Seems like a better idea than a cheap linear actuator. Now you have me thinking!

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03/28/2019 8:52 PM

Interesting! I never heard of a wax motor. And it can be modified to run on 12VDC.

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03/28/2019 10:36 PM

Yes, see video above....

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03/28/2019 11:17 PM

Using a wax motor with an integrated circuit sensor that responds to temperature by increasing current, could give variable control...

https://www.omega.com/prodinfo/Integrated-Circuit-Sensors.html

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03/28/2019 11:45 PM

I'm thinking it would be best to use an off the shelf auto part for controlling the device. It's been tested under the hood of a car and it fits in a "regular" threaded port. A temperature gauge sensor may work the best, because it would mimic the action of the TA device. As temperature increases, the resistance would decrease, allowing more current to flow (needle on the temperature gauge goes up when temp goes up). Or a simple on off sensor may be better. Even though it won't mimic the action of the TA device (on off vs variable), it still will product the desired effect - easy to start and runs rich until up to normal operating temp.

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03/29/2019 12:11 AM

Depends on how rich...probably takes about 10 minutes to warm up depending on ambient temperature....what will be the ambient temperature range of operation? I guess you could put a manual adjustment on it to set the range that works...probably a good idea anyway...Then you have to match the current output to match the heater...

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03/31/2019 11:57 PM

Ambient here is between 50 deg F (most likely the coldest I'll drive the car) to 110 deg F (hottest I'll drive the car).

It should take about 5 - 7 minutes to get to operating temp. Maybe 10 mins on a cold day.

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03/28/2019 8:43 PM

The heat source (cylinder head water jacket) isn't close by. The SPICA pump sits just off the block. The Honda part interests me. I just don't know how to get the piston movement to push the SPICA pump lever. It's over a foot away. I was thinking about a cable, but that's more for pulling.

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03/28/2019 5:18 PM

Hi Solar,

Thanks for the info. Do you know of a 12VDC version with a 5-6mm throw? I'd like to keep it 12VDC.

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03/28/2019 12:18 AM

Would you consider an electronic fuel injection conversion? I see kits using GM base components(ECM), about $1500 US for 2xTBI, more for individual fuel injectors, and you get modern and reliable components and performance for mixture & engine temp. A 20 psi electric fuel pump and supply & return lines, O2 add on sensor, electronic high energy ignition & timing, not a bad job with a kit, you have the skill to modify one of these kits to work on any engine.

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03/28/2019 5:16 PM

Trying to keep this as original as possible. Alfa went to a Bosch Electronic system in 1982 and the car lost the Italian twin cam sports car feel. Here's some interesting information about the SPICA system.

1. It was used as a racing fuel injection system back in the 1960's.

2. It's a reliable system. The amount of fuel it can feed is on par with the dual DCOE Weber setup, however at high RPM's the dual Webers do much better.

3. When you blip the throttle, there's a slight hesitation. To me, I think it's a negative, but the SPICA guys think it's a good thing.

4. My 1974 is a pre-smog car. No cat and it breathes well. My 1980 has a cat and it's not as responsive - feels like it's being choked off. My 1971 was converted to dual DCOE Webers, which I personally like best.

5. These cars (the pre-smog models) are going up in value, so keeping them as close to original as possible is key. A modification is okay, as long as it can easily be put back to stock.

Thanks for the info, but I'm going to keep the mechanical FI system and try to find a workaround for the TA problem.

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03/28/2019 2:29 AM

A couple of ideas... there are PWM solenoid drivers (e.g. http://www.ti.com/motor-drivers/solenoid/overview.html ) available, and you could take a thermistor from water temp (or water jacket of the engine) with a little old 555 timer, to drive the solenoid position, so that you could actually get a good simulation of the original device, or use a simple linear actuator that has its motor direction set by the thermistor, or a thermal switch... you could drive it with a low current, and let it stall at either extreme of travel, or have it driven by a timer that runs for a few seconds on IGNITION ON + COLD, and then the opposite direction when TEMP = WARM... could be quite nice to do this ;-) for a general solution...

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03/28/2019 5:24 PM

Thanks for the idea. Do you know how well these units will work under the hood of a car? Temperature and vibration are an issue.

I like the idea of letting the actuator stall at the extreme positions.

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03/28/2019 1:44 PM

How about a hobby servo motor, and a bit of mechanics to turn the rotation to linear motion. Not sure if it would hold up over years or not but they are cheap and have the force you need. The same 555 timer PWM temperature sensor circuit could control it, just put a thermistor in place of the pot. If you want the fine adjustment this should work great, if not it is easy to just make them go from one extreme to the other.

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Interesting ... The size of the hobby servo motor is too big for this application, but maybe a smaller one and then I could attach it to the adjustment screw to push the lever up and down.

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03/28/2019 7:34 PM

Hi Autobroker,

My thoughts are just use a starter motor solenoid coil. They have about the right throw and a with small mod to put an adjusting screw into the end it should satisfy your need for adjustment. Either type that use a fork to engauge the gear or to close contacts should be able to be cobbled to suit your requirements.

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03/28/2019 8:39 PM

Hi Stef,

Thanks for the idea. It's too large and it's too hungry (power wise). I need something smaller, so it can fit in the area and not block the other adjustments.

If you have any other ideas, I'm all ears!

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03/29/2019 1:46 AM

Many outboard motors use a wax system (same as a thermostat) on their carb enricher (choke) but the heat is supplied by 12v wiring. When you turn the key on it starts heating up and after a short while it shuts down the enricher. Something like that may work well.

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The problem as I see it is that you want the engine to start with the choke on when the engine is cool, but after it heats up you want it leaned out...now by using voltage to heat the wax motor, there would be a delay in the choke on startup, hot or cold, unless the voltage is dependent on the engine temperature...So we need a sensor that has a 12v supply that when the engine starts to heat up, supplies the 12v to the wax motor heater and leans out the engine and remains in position as long as the engine is warm...

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04/01/2019 12:32 AM

That's it. The wax motor will push down on the lever and cause the system to lean out. When it's cold, the wax motor will be retracted and the lever will be up in the neutral position (spring pushing to this position) - choke is on. If I use an off the shelf temperature gauge sensor, it'll fit in a normal threaded hole. I can run switched power to the sensor, which will control the wax motor.

One issue I have is the added current to run the wax motor, so I was hoping I could get one that would shut down (won't use power) and would lock in the extended position until the voltage dropped below 12V.

The other issues is finding the exact parts, keeping in budget and making a bracket or printing something on a 3D printer to hold the wax motor in place. And the wax motor must be small enough to keep from interfering with the manual adjustments of the SPICA system.

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04/01/2019 12:35 AM

Or, instead of using a wax motor, I was thinking of a solenoid, but the cheap ones don't seen too reliable.

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04/01/2019 12:24 AM

I'll check. I like the sound of buying a part that's off the shelf.

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04/01/2019 4:32 PM

Honda uses them on their lawnmowers too...they sell the mounting brackets for about $6....see #12...you might be able to modify one or at least use it for some ideas... The heater would only be using a very small current when the engine was warm enough to trigger the temperature control...not really an issue it seems to me...

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