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Machine Design Question

10/16/2007 1:42 AM

I have one pulsation dampener and i want to repair it ( i want to design the stude bolt for it)

The pulsation dampener end cap is under 5000 PSI of pressure. Initially,the end cap was held on by 1 1/2" -12 TPI UNF studs, and secured with relevant nuts. The studes have deteriorated, as have the relevant threads in the pulsation dampener. the pulsation dampener is determined to be repairable.

the existing thread have been machined out to a clean bore of 45mm in diameter (no more thread). It is proposed that oversized threads are tapped into the pulsation dampener and new studs are made to suit the oversized thread.

The propsed thread is 1 7/8" - 12 TPI UNF. However if we use this thread size, the distance between the major thread diameter and the pulsation dampener may be too close and cause failure.

The lenght of the thread of the stud, which is secured in the pulsation dampener is

1 3/4" material of the studs is AISI 4140 condition T (quench & tempered between 260 BHN and 320 BHN). The materail of the pulsation dampener is low carbon steel AS3678 grade 250 or equivalents : ASTM A529 or ST44-2.

Now the Question are :

(1) If the propsal goes ahead, what will be the maximum pressure the thread van withstand before failing

(2) if the general consensus is that the major diameter is too large and may cause failure, what TPI (thread per inch) will be suitable and still achieve the required torque, For instance: will a 18 TPI thread form be sufficient? OR can a finer thread form be used?

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Re: Machine Design Question

10/16/2007 8:43 AM

I'm not able to visualize your application, but have you considered thread inserts?

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Re: Machine Design Question

10/17/2007 9:59 AM

Hi Pinal2080:

Please provide a drawing of your damper with appropriate dimensions so that we may look at the problem with enough information to give you a reasonable answer.

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Re: Machine Design Question

10/17/2007 12:24 PM

Before answering this in figures, let us look into this logically:

The proposed thread 1 7/8" or 1 ¾" are bigger than existing 1 ½" thread. So they must withstand the operating pressure.

I feel the damage caused to the thread may be due to excess tightening rather than working pressure. In my 30 years of service, I have seldom seen these hardware are tightened by torque wrenches but mostly by slogging spanners. Such over tightening use to be the main reason for thread sheering.

How about simply replacing the studs by bolt and nuts? So that you can still use same size: 1 ½"…

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10/21/2007 10:19 PM

Dear Sir,

Thank you very much for your kind reply, but what about the wall thickness between the core dia of thread and the main dampener dia, actully i want to send you the drawing but i dont know how to send, can you give me your e-mail address i will send it to your mail directly.

anyway your answer is highly appreciated.

Thanks again.

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Re: Machine Design Question

10/17/2007 2:14 PM

With all due respect to all possible solutions offered already, I feel we MUST INSIST on more info before guiding you any further.

What are all the dimensions in play here? Meat left from thread before failure and after proposed increase of hole diameter. How many studs? Method of fixing these studs and how often do they need releasing?

Any lack of info is probably going to cause as much damage as using the wrong solution.

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Re: Machine Design Question

10/17/2007 4:55 PM

Why open the hole to 45mm? 1.5in is only 38.1mm. You could have used a threaded plug to repair it.

Can you weld a plug in the hole? Or machine a stud with 45mm solid on one end and weld it into the hole.

1) How many stud you're using to hold the dampener? What is the area on the dampener exposed to pressure (ie dia of the bore)?

2) If major dia is too large, changing TPI won't help anything.


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