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Changing Atmospheric Partial Pressures and Bio-diffusion.

10/09/2020 9:13 PM

AGW may not be the near term existential threat to our species that changing atmospheric partial pressures are.

All eukaryotes exchange O2 and CO2 with the atmosphere and ocean through the process of diffusion across bio-membranes.
The rate of cellular respiration is as much limited by the ability to offload waste as upload resource; this includes CO2 and O2.

A 30 % increase in atmospheric CO2 partial pressure since 1950 is a HUGE change in planetary chemistry.

For Animalia: Given Fick's Diffusion Laws and the same membrane constructs, a 30 percent increase in CO2 partial pressure would require that the CO2 concentration internal to the cell be sustained at a 30 percent higher concentration in order to maintain the same rate of diffusion and cellular respiration. The impact on human immune response and apoptosis now becomes an obvious path of inquiry.

Given Henry’s Gas Law, using ocean dissolved oxygen as a predictive proxy for the atmosphere, and extrapolating the rate of biosphere deoxygenation from a two percent decrease in ocean dissolved oxygen over that same time frame portends the extinction of our species over the relatively short term.

Is it possible the timeline of Animalia extinctions, including our own, will be defined by the photosynthesis deficit? A deficit that has been increasing at a non-linear rate since industrialization began.

Will rapidly increasing ocean hydrogen ion concentration (decreasing pH) will play a defining role in that timeline through its impact on phytoplankton and other phototrophs?

The positive economic feedback loop formed by hydrocarbon energy and armaments is clearly apparent. Unfortunately; the environmental destruction that positive feedback loop generates is leading our species to the dead end of extinction through conflict and asphyxiation. Nothing is to be gained until we relegate the Hydrocarbon- Armaments Cartels to the dustbin of history. Perhaps to be viewed in the same moral light as the slave trade.

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10/09/2020 10:28 PM

Life is not so easily defeated....species adapt, life goes on...

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10/09/2020 11:53 PM

Predictions of the end of life, are as old as life itself....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-spectacularly-wrong-predictions-made-around-the-time-of-first-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year-3/

https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/failed-climate-change-predictions

Yet here we, nothing has changed....People try to scare other people into believing they know something, that is unknowable...nobody knows what the future holds no matter how fervently they claim they do....Don't believe these people, they just want to control you with fear....they want your money, your life in servitude, your devotion....ignore the crazies, be happy, be independent, live your life on your own terms...

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10/10/2020 1:38 AM

What a bunch of nonsense. Nothing has changed? Fisheries? Population of large mammals? Global rate of photosynthesis? Our planet's fundamental chemistry? Nothing has changed?
We are on the fast track to extinction pal; and denial isn't going to stop it.
What happens if it isn't about your personal comfort and ease? What if, now imagine this, it wasn't about you at all?
What happens if the world adopts your next fiscal quarter what's in it for me mentality and then you are wrong; which you are.
Here is what hasn't changed. Henry's Gas Law hasn't changed. Fick' Laws of Diffusion haven't changed, the laws of thermodynamics haven't changed. They were not written to cause fear; but they darn well better direct us in changing our collective behavior or we're finished as a species.
I ask that you do a simple extrapolation; it can be done through simple iteration.
The atmosphere and ocean are intrinsically linked through chemistry and thermodynamics. Lets say the scientists are right and our ocean oxygen battery, having been charged to a higher equilibrium when the rate of global photosynthesis was higher than today, HAS seen a net decline in dissolved oxygen of about 2 percent since 1960. At a linear rate; which it is not, that is .033 percent per year. How long before the atmosphere becomes hypoxic at sea level; even if atmospheric pressure remains unchanged, which it won't?
You don't need a PHD to see where this is headed my friend.

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10/10/2020 4:16 AM

Yeah and what if a giant asteroid hits the Earth some day...? We could "What if" all day that doesn't mean it's going to happen.... we don't know what's going to happen in the future ....if you think you do, that's fine, a lot of people think they do, but they always seem to be wrong...What if you don't have all the answers? What if you're wrong? From what I've seen, actually seen, things keep getting better...So climb down off your high horse and deal with reality for a change....stop trying to sell me a bleak future with your dire predictions, we've heard it all before...sell crazy someplace else, we're all full up here...

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10/10/2020 6:18 AM

Given Fick's Diffusion Laws and the same membrane constructs, a 30 percent increase in CO2 partial pressure would require that the CO2 concentration internal to the cell be sustained at a 30 percent higher concentration in order to maintain the same rate of diffusion and cellular respiration.

This is not true. The rate of diffusion is proportional to the difference in concentration.

For example, if the concentration on one side were 1000, and the concentration on the other side increased from 10 to 13 (30% increase), the rate of diffusion would change by a ratio:

R = (1000-13) / (1000-10)

All is not lost!

Fick's Law describes the relationship between the rate of diffusion and the three factors that affect diffusion. It states that 'the rate of diffusion is proportional to both the surface area and concentration difference and is inversely proportional to the thickness of the membrane'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zyjbqhv/revision/6#

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10/10/2020 11:40 PM

And here I thought snake oil salesmen were a thing of the past.

30% of bugger all is not a lot to increase by in the scheme of things.

Meteorologists can't even get the weather right from one day to the next it is just that Climatologists work on a longer time frame and rely on most people not being able to remember the last outlandish quote they made.

Remember the hole in the Ozone layer and how the removal of CFCs caused that to reduce. What about the records from ancient times of higher CO2 levels and life, not as we know it of course for as scared little sheep we are weren't around then or maybe we were, there just weren't people writing exaggerated predictions for us to bleat about.

Waffle should be reserved for the Show/County Fair.

Just a safety warning though, it is best to get your soap box checked for the rarefied air you breathe may contain less CO2, purely because it is heavier than air, and you may suffer from O2 Hypoxia!

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