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Center of Gravity

11/29/2007 8:41 PM


I remember a long time ago in university physics a problem posed wherein the student was to determine the center of gravity of an L - shaped figure. Now I know how in theory to go about calculation of the center of gravity (CG) and use it in the calculational sense, but I never could (still cant) reconcile in my mind how the center of gravity of a figure can lie outside the boundary of the figure. It seems that to say that gravity acts outside the bounds of the (eg:solid) figure is impractical and strictly hypothetical. Anyone please explain what I am missing from a practical standpoint.

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Re: Center of Gravity

11/29/2007 9:31 PM

Neat post.

Think of it another way. If you consider the Earth and the Moon as a system, orbiting each other, you will realize that there is a point where both objects rotate about each other. If the two masses are similar in magnitude that point where they revolve about lies outside the physical boundaries of the two objects.

A more earthly example might be a boomerang. When it is thrown it rotates about a point that lies outside the boundaries of its physical shape. This is a little easier to visualize because you can see it when you throw the object. Looking at an L shaped virtual object on a sheet of paper that is represented mathematically is much harder for the imagination to grasp. This is a limitation of the human brain and why we "model" objects and concepts in ways that we can visualize.

I find modeling things a helpful tool for me to grasp the larger picture. I back up my model with mathematic constructs so that I can satisfy my visualizations and thought experiments with a proof.

Think about some other objects in daily life. How about a basket ball? Here is a hollow sphere where the center of gravity obviously lies outside the physical walls of the ball. In this case it is the epicenter of the ball, but the center of the ball has no physical matter because it is hollow. However, when the ball is tossed spinning into the air it never spins about a point that lies along its physical surface (outside perimeter of the sphere). So this is an example where the center of gravity is logically outside the physical boundary of the object (its shell).

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11/30/2007 2:57 AM

Maybe it would help conceptually if you imagined the two limbs of the L to be joined by a (massless) lamina or network of threads?

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11/30/2007 7:47 AM

So, get a bicycle wheel. One that's off the bike. The CG is where the center of the axle should be (else it would wobble like crazy) except the axle's not there at the moment. The CG is where you will put the axis of rotation when you want the object to have equilibrium.

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11/30/2007 11:11 AM

Or try balancing a doughnut on the tip of your finger; you could do it on edge (like a wheel) but never flat (like a plate). Even an ordinary soup bowl can have the CG existing at a point in space, not within it's physical boundaries.

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11/30/2007 12:43 PM

Where do you think the centre of gravity of a hula hoop is????

If you think that it still counts as being 'in the boundary of the figure,' just imagine half a hula hoop and ask the question again.

If you take your L shaped figure and construct a line between the tips then the C of G is 'inside' the figure.

My Dad gave me an axe for Christmas one year, carefully wrapped in a rectangular box.... he handed it to me balanced on one finger under the heavy 'head end' of the box... it looked most amusing...and of course as I tried to grasp it by the light end it twisted out of my hand. Oh what a jolly time we had.

I think you need to sit in a darkened room and exercise your imagination.

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11/30/2007 2:39 PM

This is not truly a center of gravity but the point where the total mass is equal in opposing directions. If I draw a line through the "center of gravity" in any direction, I will have the same amount of mass on both sides of the line. There is no Gravity force pulling towards that point. It should more accurately be called the 3D balance point. It is called the center of gravity only because; if the object is spun, it will spin around this balance point.

True gravity on a large object such as a planet does not have a single point that is considered to be the center of gravity. Gravity will be stronger towards more massive objects, thus gravity forces will be in different directions around the planet. However it will have a balance point or center of spin.

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12/01/2007 9:39 AM

Imagine a clear glass plate. Now you got the plate balance out flat on a stick like a juggler does. Its not hard to see where the plates center of gravity would be nice round shape that it is. Now balance a piece of angle iron on top of it. Now you will find that the stick is not in a position to touch the angle iron if the plate was not there. The stick represents a line in which the center of gravity for the plate and the piece of angle lay. Now if you spin the plate it should turn with out wobbling. Moving the angle iron off it's center will cause one side of the plate to become heavy and cause it to wobble if spinning or to fall if just off balanced.

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12/10/2007 12:03 PM

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12/10/2007 4:05 PM

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08/30/2013 3:24 AM

what is the formula you used??????

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