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exothermic reaction

12/24/2007 6:20 AM

I am looking for a chemical (in any state) that can be added to a finite volume of air which could raise its temperature in a short time without combustion. Some agitation is present but that is it.

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Re: exothermic reaction

12/24/2007 11:51 AM

just a single compound that must react with the atmosphere (but not react with the oxygen), or could it be more than a single compound, e.g. Conc Sulfuric Acid and Water for instance.

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12/24/2007 6:19 PM

Thanks for the reply; I guess it would be overrestrictive to say a single compound. The obective would be to heat the air inside a container without the initiation of a flame and without degrading the container itself which is a rubber compound. Two or more substances which could be mixed in the presence of air (oxygen or nitrogen) - the ensuing reaction would release heat and fairly stable products. Thanks again for any ideas.

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12/24/2007 11:19 PM

you need what are called 'hypergolic' reactants. In large amounts they make so much heat they start a flame, and are used as rocket propellants. They needs no ignition point. one of each type of this molecule will combine immediately and will produce heat.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hypergolic&btnG=Google+Search

now in your case you need two of these hypergolic gases, like H2 and F2 in a low concentration in air that will only produce a small temperature rise.

In the above references you may find something by dirilling down. You may not want free H2 and F2 in the air, as it is quite toxic and F2 reacts with many materials.

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01/02/2008 9:24 PM

Do you really need just a compound? Would your application permit some sort of a resistive (or any other form of) electrical heating?

How about a plastic packet containing a mixture of finely divided iron / aluminum / magnesium and water in separate compartments, divided by a plastic membrane. (They should be enclosed to prevent the oxidation of the metal.) Break the membrane to allow the two to mix and you get enough heat. The resulting H2 gas can be vented off from the packet using a valve or allowed to mix with the air if that is okay with you. I vaguely remember hearing about a version of this is used in portable heat and eat lunches.

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12/25/2007 12:49 AM

Look for buffer chemicals that slow the reaction process also used in rocket fuels similar to the ones mentioned, mono propellants bi-propellants and solid propellants can use buffer materials to enhance performance and slow the reaction. Much like water injection in piston engines.

Limit the reaction below the combustion level while heating the air from the chemical process.

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12/25/2007 6:13 AM

Thanks guys. You have been helpful. Considering the care taken in handling these products it seems problematic in environments less than optimal such as those controlled by NASA. Cheers

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12/25/2007 11:00 AM

How about using the heat of crystallization of sodium acetate? See:

http://home.howstuffworks.com/question290.htm

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