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How do I caculate the output RPM

01/20/2008 11:31 AM

If the drive sprocket has a diametr of 4.2 inches, the driven sprocket connected to the gear box has a diameter of 8.7 inches, and the gear box itself has a gear ratio of 50:1. What is the output RPM if the motor is running at 1000 RPM?

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01/20/2008 11:50 AM

I assume the diameters are pitch diameters. I further assume the gearbox is 50:1 reduction.

Then you get (1000 RPM)(1/50)(4.2/8.7) = 9.655 RPM

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01/20/2008 12:00 PM

I am having trouble trying to picture how the arrangement you describe is connected schematically. The 50:1 transmission is pretty straight forward. It is reduced the output to 1/50th the input speed or multiplies the speed by 50. I don't know which way it is connected.

The sprockets are another matter. The correct way to determine dimeter is the pitch diameter. I assume this is a chain? The pitch diameter is going to be the distance of a line from the radius of one of the sprocket concave sections where the roller of the chain sits, through the radius of the sprocket hub itself, and to the next roller chain radius. If the sprocket has an odd number of teeth, you have to calculate where that point would be. Do this for both sprockets.

If the pitch diameter is given for both sprockets, then the ratio between the two circumferences of each sprocket determines the change in RPM. If both are the same size the ratio is 1:1. You can calculate the circumference multiplying PI by the diameter.

Since you are calculating a ratio you get Ratio = (d1 * PI) / (D2 * PI).

PI factors out, so it really is just the ratio of the two pitch diameters or D1/D2.

However, forget everything I just said about sprockets! The easy way to do this is to simply count the number of teeth on each sprocket!!! The ratio of the number of each sprocket is the magic number you want. If the large sprocket has 50 teeth and the small one 30, the the ratio is 50:30 or 1.67:1.

Does that help?

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01/20/2008 12:17 PM

As a description of 'how to' rather than giving a direct answer.

The 50:1 gear box will reduce the 1000rmp by a factor of 50
E.G... 50 revs in to one rev out. Therefore... 1000revs per minute in 1000/50 revs out... that's 20rmp.

The drive sprocket (A) rotates once it's circumference will move pi x 4.2" this will move a tooth on the other sprocket by the same distance which will be part of a full rotation. e.g the circumference of (B) divided by circumference of (A) .

e.g (4.2 pi ) / (8.7 pi) of course pi cancels out nicely.... giving the answer posted by TVP45

I hope this explains it... maybe if you imagine the sprockets have a nice white spot painted on one tooth.... the small sprocket does one full rotation, the other will go about half the way around. 4.2/8.7 is about 1/2 this is a good way of checking calculations ..it's called an 'order of magnitude calculation' it checks that you are in the right 'ball park'... so the answer is about 20 rpm /2 or 'Ten' as we sometimes call it. This conveniently agrees with TVP45... now give us both a 'good answer'

I hope this doesn't sound too patronising? Ah but if it does...you should have answered it yourself!

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01/20/2008 1:06 PM

Good to see we are all still able to do homework.

All above answers are correct. Easy way out isn't it.

Nobody gives the figures for reverse gearbox.

1000*50*(4.2/8.7)=a very large and unlikely number, I go with TVP45

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01/20/2008 11:30 PM

24,137.93 RPM

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01/20/2008 11:37 PM

Sorry...must be late!...I meant to say 103,571.439 RPM

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01/20/2008 11:45 PM

8.7 / 4.2 will give you a ratio of 2.071...multiply this with the motor revolution of 1000 RPM multiplied with gearbox ratio of 50 to 1

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01/21/2008 8:57 AM

By gosh...Think of the money I could make just by running a few dozen gearboxes backwards in this plant. Uhm...how long do you all suppose I could make the bearings in my spiral conveyors last at 100,000+ rpm?

Sorry JAB...just stretching your drive chain abit for fun. No offence meant.

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01/21/2008 1:10 AM

Hi Darryl,

Can I redescribe it again? If it is not correct please feedback.

Motor(n0=1000 rpm)'s shaft is attached sprocket with d0=4.2 inches diameter, and this sprocket is connected to the gear box(50:1) by other sprocket with d1=8.7 inch diameter. And what speed(nf) is the output shaft of gearbox?

nf = 1000 * (4.2/8.7) * (1/50) ~ 10 rpm.

Common formular is:

n0 / n1 = d1 / d0

n2 / n1 = d1 / d2

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01/21/2008 1:21 AM

Good formula. But did you copy this formula from above????

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01/21/2008 2:38 AM

Hi man,

This formula was too old, I learned it 16 years ago.

You can copy it.

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01/21/2008 2:53 AM

thank you, I will copy it. By the way if the formula was too old, it can not be used any more.

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01/21/2008 3:44 AM

Hi guest,

Sorry, I means that formula is basic in mechanical. The basics are always useful forever.

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01/21/2008 5:00 AM

Hey if the formula is that old...maybe there's an opportunity for a slick marketing man to sell us all a new shiny one?

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01/21/2008 8:57 AM

It'll be called "Equation Churning" ...similar to market churning by banks where any change is good change because it keeps people from shacking up, long term with their 'perfect' account terms.

I'll sell anyone the shiny new one (upgraded to capital letters) for a small upgrade price. Be sure to call about volume discounts if you need more than 1000 instances. ;)

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01/21/2008 1:48 AM

Dear,

If motor is running at 1000RPM, the drive sprocket would also run at 1000RPM. Considering that the sprocket diameters mentioned by you are the pitch diameters of sprockets then the formula would be:

1000 x ratio of 4.2/8.7 this to be further divided by gear ratio 50 = 9.65 rpm

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01/21/2008 2:28 AM

It doesn't matter which comes first, the sprockets or the gear box, the final rpm is still the same, 9.65 .....

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01/22/2008 2:21 PM

1000/50*(4.2/8.7)

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01/22/2008 2:43 PM

Well repeated

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