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Boiler Combustion PLC's/DCS

02/06/2008 11:11 PM

Good afternoon,

Could some one explain how the loops work when tuning the DCS/PLC for Boiler combustion? Using Siemens PCS 7

My limited understanding is that the automation control needed for the Air, Water & Gas loops is proportionate to the revolutions the turbine is spinning at.

To start with you need more fuel to get the thing spinning, once it gathers momentum then kinetic energy contributes thus needing to reduce the fuel being feed into the combustion chamber.

I know this is fundamental at best but could an expert out there elucidate the finer details in the process.

As always I look forward to your responses,

Enjoy the day.

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Re: Boiler Combustion PLC's/DCS

02/07/2008 12:44 PM

Turbine speed is usually not an input to the control scheme, particularly if there is a generator attached. The turbine has to spin at a constant speed in order to maintain the desired frequency. Turbine (and therefore boiler) loading is determined by steam flow.

My personal preference is the Foxboro I/A system, but most automated boiler controls have the same design philosophy. The primary feedback parameters are steam pressure, steam temperature and steam flow rate. Most boilers provide superheated steam (e.g., 1275 PSI, 950 °F), so the temperature & pressure are critical parameters. The steam flow signal usually has a higher gain attached to provide quicker response to load changes. Minor inputs (lower gain) are air flow & temperature, fuel flow, feedwater flow & temperature, and excess air.

The control scheme is usually separated into several secondary master control loops: air, fuel, water and steam may all have their own master control, with outputs to the various flow control devices and feedback from the flow monitoring sensors. All of the secondary masters provide inputs and feedback to the Boiler Master, which provides biasing and limits for the secondary loops.

Startups are often manually controlled for several reasons:

  • The monitored parameters may be beyond the normal control range (if you have to control pressure 0-1500PSI, it's difficult to get the tight tolerances you want over the entire range).
  • The sensors are designed for specific operating conditions, and are inaccurate outside of operating ranges For example, most steam flow detectors assume superheated steam, but until the boiler is up to temperature a lot of the output will be at saturated conditions.
  • The rate of change for various parameters is well outside the controllable band. If critical speed of the turbine is below normal operating speed, the operator must quickly accelerate (say from a 2000 RPM point to a 2700 RPM point) to minimize time at or near critical speed, to prevent resonant vibrations from damaging the turbine. Such a change in steam flow would produce a huge feedback signal demanding massive increases in fuel and air to compensate. Since the ramp stops shortly thereafter, the fuel/air response would overshoot, possibly high enough to cause a system fault trip.

I hope this helps. Control system logic is a hefty subject to summarize.

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Re: Boiler Combustion PLC's/DCS

02/07/2008 10:01 PM

Outstanding answer Pwr2thepeople,

I will need to digest this information for a bit before I come back with any more questions, I appreciate your response Sir.

Enjoy the day.

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02/08/2008 8:53 AM

Thanks, pwr2the people:

Thanks for the detailed answer. It was a big help to me as well beside the gentleman from Australia who asked the question.

If the criticdal speed is so critical, why don't the manufacturers avoid this zone away from the middle of the start up. I remember during start up of the 20,000 HP compressors, we had two or three crirical zones and operators were so much concern and pass that zone quickly by increasing the flow rates. I have never seen any vibration during that zone except just before the speed, it will make some noise and steam flow will be increased quickly and every one would breath easy.

I am not sure if I put the question correctly after the starting experience by. However, my question is what manufactureres can do to avoid this critical zone all together or it is just intrinsic to all machines?

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02/09/2008 11:22 PM

Critical speed is the resonant frequency for the entire turbine assembly. Operating at or near critical speed causes excessive vibration, which will damage the shaft bearings, leading to equipment failure.

It is possible to design the turbine so that normal operating speed is below critical, and some manufacturers do so. I've worked with several DeLaval units built that way. Also, turbine applications involving variable speed (such as marine units used for propulsion) must be built that way, since ship-handling requires the ability to operate at any speed in the operating range.

Since generating units are designed for constant speed operation, it's simpler (and cheaper) to build the turbine for maximum efficiency, and write the startup procedure to minimize time in the critical speed zone.

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