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Generator for seismic location

02/29/2008 9:48 AM

Hello,

I would like to ask you if you know about application of turbogenerator with power output above 100MW in seismic zones?

Is possible that 100MW generator can withstand acceleration above 0,5g?

Thank your advance for your answers

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Re: Generator for seismic location

02/29/2008 10:56 AM

No problem for most common generators... 0,5 g is practically nothing. Normal operation will be about 3-4 g's (but at running speed, not seismic frequencies).

If the building can take it, the generator can.

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Re: Generator for seismic location

02/29/2008 11:04 AM

To avoid any misundestanding, I was speaking about earthquake with acceleration 0,5g. As I know, SIEMENS generator is not able to withstand acceleration above 0,6g without any significant demage.

I have heard about application of GE, but I have not any documents....

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Re: Generator for seismic location

02/29/2008 11:28 PM

Remember that generator and turbine are on the same frame and probably will have an automatic shutdown system - can the system take a "fast" shutdown, but -

a lot of things are not on the same frame...fuel (gas or diesel) and hydraulic lines, exhaust, emissions treatment, etc. and differential movement can make life troublesome;

Turbine components-nozzles and fuel lines going thereto on the turbine must withstand the shock and potential differential movement;

Consider not to be inside a building;

Consider in a building you will most likely have a travelling crane over the top...make sure it stays on tracks and that the tracks don't come off;

Consider also that you need a good very well compact fill beneath your slabs/beams;

So the issue is not whether the turbine will survive - it is everything else ALSO.

TOM

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Re: Generator for seismic location

02/29/2008 11:19 AM

My apologies, I read it too fast and misunderstood.

I would suspect that if you have a spec for a Siemens machine, that other brands will be similar..But I don't know.

I am curious why you are asking here? Why not fire off an e-mail to GE, Mitsubishi, and Hitachi, and ask them?

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Re: Generator for seismic location

03/01/2008 8:29 AM

I appreciate your notes and advice, but to prepare the proposal for hydrogen cooled generator or even TEWAC according sophisticated seismic requirements costs a lot of effort and time, which I have not.

regarding your suspect, in California or in Chille are instalations of steam turbines and someone must designed generator for that applications....

I was trying to get information about REAL installations....

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