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Knocking in Diaphragm Compressor

03/29/2008 6:07 PM

We have a hydraulic driven diaphragm compressor over here used to compress hydrogen from 18 bar to 26 bar. Recently we overhauled one of the 3 compressors and replaced its crankshaft and the diaphragm, but when we tried to take it in line, it starts with lots of knocking and the pressure starts rising abruptly. We checked the oil circuit and ensured no air lock by priming it through an inbuilt hand pump manually. But to control the abrupt pressure rise, we need to adjust the PRV in the oil circuit which releases the excess oil under the diaphragm and helps to maintain uniform pressure. Now the problem is that the PRV can only be set using gas (N2) on the test bench as we have no facility to set it using oil. We also tried to set the PRV online but the abrupt pressures disturbs the system and even the main header pressure gets out of control. Now my questions are: 1> Is it OK to set the PRV by N2 in place of its actual working media i.e. oil. Will the set values not vary when we put this PRV in line. 2>Can we run the compressor with suction open and discharge close.. with vent crack open? (So that the PRV can be set online without disturbing the system) 3> What can be the probable reasons for the knocking?

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Re: Knocking in Diaphragm Compressor

03/29/2008 11:37 PM

Gosh...! Don't take me for granted but I do believe that having the PRV set up with N2 within controlled pressurized with a good gage compatible for N2 purpose should be good for a test. The setting should stay the same value as is was oil pressure testing but will be more accurate by using the oil media better with an oil gage thougth because I believe the oil (Hydraulic Properties) will not give or yield much cushioning being more steady state pressure for the testing. Otherwise will be good to go for a new PRV and be on the safe side instead. 2) The PRV range are supposed to protect within equipment specifications for it safe operation. Most of the time it balanced between two forces (Spring and System Loop Media) acting oppositional against each other (Balancing) in order to sustain the safe operating conditions for the equipment. I believe that by cracking the vent you will be trying to simulate system pressures as far as there are real good set of operating gages in system loop to keep it in the safe range will provide some clues. 3) The knocking cause may be few things but check out for loops valves which can get jammed or bad and hopefuly not, something is loose or damage in compressor itself. And check propel rotation just in case.

I'm not an expert on such puppies and that's just my little suggestion and probably it will help you out somehow there. Alrigth buddy, work safe always and ' Lock Out and Tag Out ' energy source as safety measured and it doesn't feel sure, get a good contractor for such piece of equipment over there. And Don't rush into nothing and take it on downtime better instead.

Work Safe,

MC

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Re: Knocking in Diaphragm Compressor

03/30/2008 4:06 AM

#3. Lack of an accumulator?

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Re: Knocking in Diaphragm Compressor

03/31/2008 11:45 AM

No

we are having accumulator bottles in the suction as well as in the discharge. Moreover, accumulator helps in removing pulsations in the gas being compressed. But the problem of knocking is observed in the hydraulic system... the crank and the piston compressing the oil to oscillte the diaphragm

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Re: Knocking in Diaphragm Compressor

03/30/2008 7:39 AM

Only with respect to the PRV function. Most of hydraulic PRV have an integrated damper which uses the oil viscosity for damping. If you use N you obtain same cracking pressure but an unstable poppet movement with jerks and this can lead to a too abrupt pressure rise or fall. This damper is required to damp during the transient period of the poppet movement its tendency to oscillate with its own frequency (its mass and the spring stiffness). The flow through the seat in an open position generates also jet reaction forces which have the tendency to close the poppet.

I would NOT recommend to set the valve with N2 since the N2 viscosity is much less than oil's one and the dynamics of the poppet are strongly disturbed.

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Re: Knocking in Diaphragm Compressor

03/31/2008 12:39 PM

"I would NOT recommend to set the valve with N2 since the N2 viscosity is much less than oil's one and the dynamics of the poppet are strongly disturbed."

I strongly agree!

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Re: Knocking in Diaphragm Compressor

03/31/2008 4:56 PM

Yes sir chief.. in that case then I would agree here with you on this one having that condition then. Good deal then, good advice Boss, you have the technology. I was thinking that it can happen that probably there are a solenoid hunting opening and closing or something like that interfering the normal loop flow. But, yes, if the condition of viscosity will alter the testing then, I will go with the oil media to perform such test better accurate instead. Good feedback buddy. Have a nice one ....!

Allset Chief...

MC

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