Hydrogen Reactor

How could this be? We know that all elements have integral numbers of protons, electrons, and neutrons. We know that all atoms (not ions) have the same number of electrons as protons. We know that hydrogen has 1 proton and 1 electron. What would be lower than 1? 0? But, an atom with 0 protons and electrons would have no properties, i.e., would be imaginary.

Please explain and cite a source for these periodic tables you mention.

His first name began with a W.

Ahh, well now that you have sited a reference there is a consensus among the scientific community that it is accepted as fact.

Sarcasm

Jay,

Please do expound. We would all like to see evidence presented, perhaps a demonstration? You could also produce specific information about the frequency generation H2 reactor, ie, manufacturing, materials, operation, energy consumption etc.

Suppression

Is that meant as you attempted to share something useful, but we are part of a conspiricy against the technology?

PARANOIA?

It is true that aluminum can strip O₂ from steam, leaving H₂ gas as a byproduct, and that theoretically, it is possible to use this method to generate H₂ gas in large amounts, but what is your pay-off? The energy required to generate steam in large enough quantities to use this method is far higher than the energy that can be recovered from burning the H₂ gas, so why do it at all? Why not use the energy used to boil the steam to do work directly instead?

you guys seem to know your stuff if a person was to take an electron gun to water mist in enclosed enviroment were the electrons couldnt get out wouldnt they collide with the electrons holding the h2o together releasing the bonds from each other also what is a source i could get some decent amount of photon or positron energy from alot more than leds

Honestly speaking, I don't know what will happen as this is not my area of specialization. I've never tried ionizing steam before, and I don't personally know of any research that has been done on this. Perhaps someone else here might be able to advice you better.

Theoretically, it should superheat the steam. Whether it will break the steam down into H₂ and O₂, again, I don't know. Personally, I think it should, since I have seen the effect of what happens when I add a small amount of water to something I'm frying. A bright yellow flame, suggesting the burning of H₂ gas, is produced, so I suppose it can happen. Whether this is an economical method to produce H₂ gas in large amounts though is something I seriously doubt.

I have a unique way of making steam, but at the same time for no additional cost, I can make it hydrogen with a half oxygen. jaynewtech

i would love to hear about it please give me some details

Er, the formula for water is H₂O. The atomic number of oxygen is 8. Half an oxygen atom, atomic number 4, is no longer oxygen.

Walter Russell

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg24297.html

I see that someone is on the ball! It's just a lower octave then hydrogen. It's applications are many.

Bebegen, Ethlogen, Carbogenn, etc. are lower on the periodic table then Hydrogen. These lower octave elements are easily produced and the sky is the limit for their applications. suppression has been consistent.

The guest comment was mine, while the commentator's post for the atomic fuel web site only produces hydrogen, not sub-hydrogen.

Please tell us all you're kidding. Walter Russell was a proponent of New Age beliefs. I googled for his name, and instead of getting a list of scientific papers, I saw a whole lot of spiritual and New Age writings, none of which have been scientifically proven to work. Please tell us all you're not proposing to develop a free energy cold fusion reactor using New Age spiritualist beliefs.

Well I don't agree with his New Age philosophy spirituality stuff. I do very much agree with his "All direction is curved - All motion is spiral" diagram here http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4383.0.html

Ofcourse Walter Russell, Viktor Schauberger, and Nikola Tesla, weren't able to scientifically prove some of they're stuff, and it won't be proveable until all the chemical, and physical reactions are understood on a quantum physic's scale. Since friction, heat, chemical reactions is all quantum physic's.

We are presently having a ball with Russells's stuff, Lao and Walter were genies in a bottle.

Going by your comments, you apparently have succeeded in isolating bebegen, ethlogen, carbogenn and other "sub-hydrogen elements". What are their atomic numbers and atomic structures? Hydrogen is atomic number 1, because its nucleus is made up of only 1 proton, and its atomic structure is simply a single electron orbiting a single proton. If these "sub-hydrogen elements" are lower in the periodic table than hydrogen, then how many protons are there in their nuclei? ½, ¼, ¾, what? If so, then how many electrons are orbiting their nuclei then? Would these even qualify as elements if they aren't made of intact atoms?

Also, can you produce these elements before a committee of scientists for their study? If you're afraid they'll "suppress your discoveries", do it in front of a panel of reporters to document everything that happens there as well. This will be the best possible proof of your claims. Hey, if your claims are true, and you can convincingly prove to everyone that they're true, you'll stand an excellent chance to win the Nobel Prize for Chemistry, so why not do it? After all, what have you got to lose?

LIFE

huh?????

So you think proving the existence of "sub-hydrogen elements" will cost you your life. Did Marie Curie lose her life for discovering radium? Did the Wright brothers lose their lives for proving that heavier-than-air powered flight is possible? Did Benjamin Franklin lose his life for proving that lightning is electricity? Did Margeret Latimer lose her life for proving the coelacanth was not extinct? Did Jane Goodall lose her life for proving chimpanzees are intelligent enough to use tools? Answers: no, no, no, no, and no. Making conspiracy theory allegations whenever challenged to prove their outlandish claims is the easiest way to cover up the fact that somebody who claims to have made an astonishing scientific breakthrough is actually faking their claims, because there will always be gullible fools who will believe the allegations instead on proven fact.

If you have genuinely discovered such elements, prove it here. Just answer my question: what are the atomic numbers and atomic structures of your so-called "sub-hydrogen" elements, and how do you create water with one hydrogen atom and half an oxygen atom like you claim you can? Water is H₂O, where hydrogen is atomic number 1 and oxygen atomic number 8. Half an oxygen atom, atomic number 4, is beryllium, Be. BeH is no longer water. In fact, beryllium hydride is BeH₂, not BeH, so your "half-water" cannot even be created.

If you think I'm being a total jerk, that's because all of us here have a duty to protect well-meaning people from investing in scams. I'm not accusing you of running a scam here: your claim to have discovered a new way to produce steam with reduced energy consumption may be true for all I know. What I am saying is, prove your claims that "sub-hydrogen elements" exist are true, or stop promoting such falsehoods because someone else, a genuine scam artist, may use your claims to swindle people.

I will agree that one would loose sleep over this. It's no scam. Russell's were smarter than they let on. The world disposed of their works like they were delusional.

Ho boy - OK, let's ask the relavent question. If you fear for your life why are you here on CR4 (not really) talking about your "invention." We get a lot of scammers and "Free Energy" enthusiasts on this site. They're entertaining, but can never really put up the goods.

So, here's the basic question - What do you have and do you have INDEPENDENT VERIFICATION from a reputable testing body that it works? If not, get it, then come back and talk to us. Otherwise you're wasting everyone's time.

Atomic Suicide

Then there's no reason to keep this pointless thread open is there? You either have nothing, so you're afraid to talk about it or you have something that could end up as a dangerous weapon. Either way, CR4 is not the place to discuss it.

And please don't whine that we're surpressing you. We've given you ample opportunity to talk about, you just won't put up the goods.