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calculation for actual density

04/06/2008 4:40 AM

PLANT: Saurashtra Cement Date: 3/15/2008 Location: Cement Mill 5 outlet By: Anil Bhaskaran Altitude 47 m Density 1.003 kg/m3 Barometer 10275 mmWg Area 4.522 m2 Type of pitot tube Avg speed 8.78 m/s Ps Static Press. -1 mmWg FLOW 142987 m3/hr Temperature 76 oC 2383 m3/min Normal dens. 1.29 kg/Nm3 39.72 m3/sec Duct diameter 2.4 meter 111181 Nm3/hr 30.88 Nm3/sec Pd, mmWg v, m/s 143.42 Ton/hr 4 7.48 5 8.36 6 9.16 7 9.89 5 8.36 7 9.89 6 9.16 5 8.36 6 9.16 5 8.36 6 9.16 5 8.36 5 8.36 6 9.16 5 8.36 5 8.36 6 9.16 7 9.89 5 8.36 5 8.36 i am a new member and i have a typical doubt may be silly but still i wanna confirm. As u see above from the table sheet provided above i want to calculate the density of gases in Kg/m3 , i am using the formula kg/m3 = normal density(kg/nm3) *273/(273+temp measured)*10275(Alt47m)-(-Ps)/10336. I am having a doubt in static pressure whether it is (10275- Ps )or is it (10275-(-ps)). Some one told me that one should take -ve value at suction side and +ve value at discharge side. I want u to correct me whether which formula is right so as to clear my doubt.

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Re: calculation for actual density

04/06/2008 8:28 AM

Oy Vey! Could you please format your question to use a little more white space and, perhaps, a paragraph break or two? It's very hard to read. Thanks.

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Re: calculation for actual density

04/06/2008 9:16 AM

dear anil

density of gas at x deg= (293/(293+x)*1.28)*(P b+fan tp/p ab)

where 293 k is at 20 deg c

1.28- density at 20 deg c

pb -barometric pressure

P ab - absolute pressure

fan tp-static pr+velocity pressure

air flow from high pressure side (atmosphere) to low pressure side (fan inlet or duct) is quite natural.and vice versa in case of outlet .so for make a flow of air the fan should generate a pressure more than pb in case of supply and less than pb in case of suction.

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Re: calculation for actual density

04/06/2008 1:13 PM

dear sundararavi, thanks for a reply, but what i wanted to know is not understood, let me explain it once again i am working in cement industry, and i am calculating the flow of gases thru a fan.As u know that density is available in actual cubic metre and normal cubic metre.For a standard gas the normal density is around 1.29kg/nm3 and i want to convert it to actual density in kg/m3,by certain temperature and pressure corrections. so the formula is kg/m3 = kg/nm3 *(273/273+temp measured)*(10275-Ps)/10336) lets me give data a) normal density is 1.29kg/nm3 b) temp measured at a point is 50 degree centigrade c) Ps (static pressure) at that point is -225mmwg d) at altitude of 47 metre , the pressure is 10275mmwg e) barometric pressure is 10336 mmwg, ok now what is troubling me is whether in the above formula it is ( 10275+Ps)/10336 or is it (10275-Ps)/10336. Some person told me that at suction side one should take it as negative and at discharge side as positive.Please can u clear my doubt anil

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Re: calculation for actual density

04/07/2008 12:03 AM

dear anil

if your fan is induced fan the sp = pb- sp. if it is forced draught fan then sp = pb+sp if you measure the velocity pr at inlet then fan sp=pb-vacuum pr(less than pb) created by fan(then only flow occure) where as if measure the vp at outlet then fan sp=pb+sp(then only flow occure) pls note that vacuum pr in the sense sp of fan to overcome the frictional +dynamic losses of duct system +fan losses.i hope it clear your doubt. for further detail you may refer buffalo forge fan engineering book

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Re: calculation for actual density

04/07/2008 1:25 PM

thanx sundararavi

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Re: calculation for actual density

04/07/2008 6:18 AM

Please give this assignment to one of your mining engineers esp with u/g experience.

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