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Efficiency of an Electric Generator

07/03/2006 7:17 PM

The efficiency of an electric generator seems to peak at 75% of max power and drops off strongly under 25%. As the power output drops the power factor also gets worse. Utility companies will charge more for the electricity, for example, for motors that have poor power factors because it costs more. Capacitors are used to correct this, among other mean depending on generator type.

If the duty cycle is for 25kw power generation while on the grid, and 1-3 kw while off the grid, with peaks (for starting motors and such) reaching 3-10 kw, what type of electric generator should one use to cover the range? If two generators are used with one in the 1-3 range and another optimized for 25kw, how can peak short duration loads be dealt with? Is there a one generator option, or will it take 2-3 different generators all driven by the same prime mover at different gear ratios or some sort?

The prime mover to drive the generators is a new engine that has a level BSFC curve from 1-35kw and can be effective across the duty cycle range. All of the electric generators I know of, however, cannot do the range. The cost for electricity in the 1-3 kw range therefore doubles or triples over the cost at 25kw when the generator is optimized at 25kw. Herein is the key to home power generation. We have half the key in the right prime mover, the other half is in the electric generator.

Is there any company or inventor out there who has the electric generator required to cover the range? An Asynchronous generator will not work for situations where it is greater than 1/3 the total power generation. Is this something that needs to be invented, or does it exist? I am looking for consultants to figure this out. Comments please.

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07/04/2006 1:23 AM

What is the most logical way one can discuss this without giving away Trade Secrets? I have lost in the past the rights to patents because I trusted and went to far on discussion of what I was working on- and someone picked up on it and I lost out. The lack of money is always the age old problem as you are no doubt aware of. I have been working on a system for several months that appears to be headed in the right direction, but am in fear of.

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Power factor correction

07/04/2006 8:42 AM

There are commercial operations that use banks of capacitors
that switch in and out as required. This might be too expensive for
so small an installation as you have.
The expense is in the metering& control equipment.
Your installation seems to be a 'two condition` application so perhaps
you could use manual switching sized for each condition.
It would require a more sophisticated than average operator though.

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Re:Power factor correction

07/05/2006 5:49 PM

Battery banks and an inverter could be used to provide power during light loading up to 4KW and have a load sensing cicuit start the genset during heavier loads, or use a programmed controller if the loading is predictable. There are rotary powered gensets that can run on most available fuels and are light weight and quiet during operation as well as efficient. Inverters are highly efficient and many have the ability to quickly recharge the battery bank during the generator cycle while bypassing it's load. Everything has it's limits but combining the best of both worlds can get yuo closer to your goal. I have done this on boats and it works great.

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Re:Power factor correction

07/06/2006 4:39 AM

The 10KW starting peaks he mentions make an inverter a rather 'iffy` proposition.
Without time information on each condition, battery sizing is an unanswerable question.
It might also prove difficult to use enough of the 20KW +/-
'overhead` to which he refers, and trys to avoid, for battery charging unless he buys a
lot of battery and charging cap., which entails both cost and maintenance considerations.
(eg. 'Hydrogen area` Code requirements).
It might turn out to be cheaper to accept the higher cost of the 'low load` power
when all is said & done.

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