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Springs & mechanism timing

05/01/2008 11:05 AM

Hello,

Recently, there was a problem regarding timing in a spring mechanism.

The setup is - A compression spring connected to a mechanism. The spring is kept compressed to a fixed length, ready for it to uncompress and exert force on the mechanism. The springs linear motion is converted to rotational motion of the mechanism and finally again into linear motion. The time for the linear motion between 2 fixed points is measured.

Now, in a particular spring & mechanism, the timing had increased by 10-15%.

On checking the spring, it was found that the force exerted by the spring, was out of tolerance. It was higher that what was allowed at that length of compression. Some people said that 'ya this spring is the problem'. I am unconvinced that higher spring force could be a reason for higher timing.

Could spring be the cause of the problem ?

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05/01/2008 11:25 AM

What is your working theory as to what besides the spring is causing the difference? If I understand your setup correctly, the spring is the only source of energy for your motion. An increase in spring force indicates an increase of stored energy (do you have historical data on actual spring forces, or are you only now comparing your measurement against the manufacturer's specs?). An increased release of potential energy required an increase in kinetic energy (absent additional losses, of course). If by "the timing had increased by 10-15%" you mean that "the time for the linear motion between 2 fixed points is measured" and found to be decreased, what else could have caused the velocity increase?

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05/01/2008 11:41 AM

Hello, I clarify:

1. Yes, the spring's potential energy is the only source of energy for the motion.

2. There is no historical data available on actual spring forces, we are only comparing the measurement of spring forces at the manufacturer's works with our/manufacturer's specs.

3. By "timing had increased by 10-15%", I mean the time for the linear motion between 2 fixed points was increased (ie: if actually it should be 100ms, it was coming as 110ms with the spring which was found to have higher potential energy)

So, if spring was actually the cause, the timing should have decreased and not increased, isn't it?

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05/01/2008 11:55 AM

If your measured time (and therefore velocity) decreased, than you are correct: an increase in spring force is unlikely to be the culprit, unless the increased force also caused a "bind" and therefore increased losses within your mechanism. Without historical data on actual spring forces and mechanism "drag" it is impossible to compare apples-to-apples. A simple check would be to get a spring you believe to be within your historical tolerance and check the results on the mechanism. Perhaps historical springs were even further out of tolerance than the one you checked, resulting it you measuring a weaker spring than you actually have been using. Without hard data, it's impossible to know what is happening. Do you suspect any new losses within the mechanism that would account for the "missing" energy?

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05/02/2008 4:35 AM

"Perhaps historical springs were even further out of tolerance than the one you checked"

That's the sort of scenario I've come across before. How are the springs specified? Do they even have an "upper limit"?

If it's easy to do the best way to resolve this is to try an old spring with a new mechanism and vice versa. See which component the fault "follows".

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Re: Springs & mechanism timing

05/01/2008 12:39 PM

Can a higher spring pressure cause a quicker travel...?

Can a heavier draw weight on a bow throw the arrow faster and therefore further..Of course it can!

Have an adjustable seat for the spring so you can adust it's tesnion...much easier than trying to get precision springs!

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05/02/2008 8:42 AM

At compression your spring may exert force "X" but it may vary as the distance changes. -> different spring rate than expected.

Is this a coil spring or a gas spring?

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