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Chemical and mechanical properties

05/21/2008 12:24 AM

What is difference between P11 and P22 allow steel material

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05/21/2008 11:32 AM

P11 is not alloy its carbon structural steel, if you are talking about :

Chemical Composition

GradeP11
StandardISO 2604-4
CountryInternational

Heat Analysis

Element

Symbol

Min.

Max.

CarbonC0.26
ChromiumCr0.3
ManganeseMn0.6
NitrogenN0.007
PhosphorusP0.05
SiliconSi0.35
SulfurS0.05

Since you didn't give the applicable standard, or where you are, this is my best guess as to what you mean by P11.

p22 is alloy Chrome Moly steel:

Chemical Composition

GradeP22
StandardCOPANT 509
CountryPan America

Heat Analysis

Element

Symbol

Min.

Max.

CarbonC0.15
ChromiumCr1.92.6
ManganeseMn0.30.6
MolybdenumMo0.871.13
PhosphorusP0.03
SiliconSi0.5
SulfurS0.03

The P22 will harden to a greater depth and hardness by heat treatment, than p11.

Discussion of properties is possible if you provide more information about intended use, fabrication method, size and condfition, etc.

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05/21/2008 12:34 PM

Milo, that is awesome. Could you reference your source?

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05/21/2008 2:30 PM

Sure.

First, it was n't SAE ASTM, so No point in looking in US sources (OK P - grade plastic mold steels are a possibility, but why compare them and the numbers weren't the ones I remembered.

So I went to my foreign references

It wasn't in my copy of Stahlshlussel ( the key to steel- http://www.amazon.com/Stahlschlussel-Stahlschussel-Steel-Clef-Aciers/dp/3922599176)

The P specs that it had were French/ Italian origin, and The posting verbiage didn't seem to be French Italian query (Intuition hearing the unheard); plus, it didn't show the specific P-grades that were requested.

I didn't like what I saw in World Wide Equivalents (http://asmcommunity.asminternational.org/content/ASM/StoreFiles/ACFAB8B.pdf) either for similar "intuitive" reasons, so I went to www.metalinfo.com ( I have a subscription) and then sorted through every grade that had those two designations in it as a text string. (the problem is that their data bases will give you anything that contains the text string, not just say, only steels... so a novice can get into some trouble pretty fast. Matching text strings ain't the same as knowledge.)

The nature of the query trying to contrast the two confirmed that I had identified the two likeliest candidate grades/specs/ standards from the information at hand.

So identified from the (lack of) Facts available.

Glad you appreciated my effort.

I expected Abdel Halim Galala or Kwetz to be the quality control on my post. They are sharp hombres when it comes to steel, too.

milo

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05/21/2008 3:33 PM

Thanks.

I'm a young metallurgical engineer and I've been having to wade through the ambiguous international steel designations. In school (how's that for sounding like a "greenhorn"?) they don't teach anything outside of SAE or ASM, but eveything you gave me is pure gold.

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