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PTFE ring seals

06/02/2008 9:37 AM

Good day all.

I am in search of references for the calculation of dimensions for teflon PTFE ring seals. Any suggestions would be very helpful.

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#1

Re: PTFE ring seals

06/03/2008 12:59 AM

I'm afraid you need to give us a LOT more details!

Where are these seals to be used?

What pressure must they contain?

Over what range of temperatures must they seal?

What shapes (cross-section and overall) are they?

How big are they?

What materials are they sealing IN or OUT?

etc...

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Re: PTFE ring seals

06/03/2008 9:09 AM

Hands down the best o-ring information guide I ever found is the Parker O-ring Handbook. The number on the book is ORD 5700/USA. you can reach them at www.parkerorings.com Or call to order the book from Parker Hannifin in Kentucky USA at 859-269-2351. Or web search for your local parker distributer, they might have the book on a rack near you. As for purchasing the o-rings, recently Grainger has started to carry o-rings in a very convenient purchasing format. Try www.grainger.com. Good luck.

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Re: PTFE ring seals

06/03/2008 9:25 AM

Very Good.

Additional information.

This is for the head of a piston in a cylinder, the piston compresses a bed of sand. The cylinder ID is 7.37 cm, the piston OD is flexible. This is a static application. Various solvents are pumped through the system at pressures up to 1500 psi. The temperature range is ambient, say 0-40 C. The questions are, I think, 1) how much to oversize the OD of the seal so as to compress it against the cylinder wall and 2) how much to oversize the diametric thickness of the teflon ring so as to compress it against the piston when installed?

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06/03/2008 9:28 AM

Thank you for the Parker suggestion. I have looked the parker handbook carefully and have found it to be helpful in other situations. However, this application is not an o-ring situation.

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Re: PTFE ring seals

06/04/2008 11:12 AM

What type of seal are you going to use? And who is the manufacturer, they should have the reference material you need.

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06/07/2008 4:13 PM

Re-read the parker info and if not satisfied call them

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Re: PTFE ring seals

11/12/2008 8:35 PM

FLUORINE PLASTICS BRANCH OFFICE OFFICE OF SHANGHAI FEILONG METERS&ELECTRONICS CO.,LTD. Is the special produce to the products of polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE).Our main PTFE products including: sheets, rods, tubes, gaskets, expanded dilatants unfiltered tapes, elasticity tapes, bricking, skived sheets and films and tapes, various fillers of PTFE and different special articles etc. Also we produce PTFE inner liner pipes, annular tubes, elbows, three or four joints, big or small tube heads and tube-shaped articles. According to the customers' requirements, various different special products can be manufactured.

Since the various types of our products, the reliable qualities, the fine services, we have won the prestige from traveling merchants home and abroad. In the future, we are going to be in the market with the new varieties, the finest qualities and the cordial service and to establish ourselves in the vast trade families.

PTFE rod

Features:

There are two kinds of PTFE rods to offer. One is manufactured by paste extruding method in the diameter from 4 to 9mm and the other is made by ram extruding method is the diameter from 10 to 50mm; rods over the diameter 50mmare manufactured by molding .

PTFE is the most chemical-resistant of all known plastics. It does not age.

PTFE has a wide rang of practicable temperature from -180℃~+260℃ and a wax-like surface to which anything hardly sticks.

PTFE has the lowest coefficient of friction of all known solid materials. It has the best electrical properties of all plastics.

PTFE Tubing

Features:

PTFE tubing is manufactured by ram extruding method with PTFE granular resin.

PTFE is the most chemical-resistant of all known plastics. It has the best electrical properties of plastics.

PTFE gasket

Features:

PTFE gasket is manufactured by molding method with PTFE granular resin.

PTFE compared with other plastics has a superior property against chemicals and temperature. Because of such excellent properties, PTFE has a wide application as a sealing material.

Company info and Contact person are as below:

Contact person: Yucheng Wang

Job title: maneger

Company name: SHANGHAI FEILONG METERS&ELECTRONICS CO.,LTD.

Address: Heng'an Building Room 806 West Qufu RD268#

City: Shanghai

State/Province: Zhabei

Country/Region: China

Tel: 86-021-63811027 86-021-63801621

Fax: 86-021-63801621

Mobile:86-13816377866

E-mail: feilong011@hotmail.com

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Re: PTFE ring seals

06/03/2008 6:05 PM

Hi Doug

Many O-Ring seals conform to a UDN (Uniform dash number) and are virtually the same physical dimensions for buna, neoprene, viton, PTFE etc. In this manner a product can have different seals for, say a high heat application or chemical compatability without redesigning for each seal material. Just call your local seal supplier, Parker, Ericks etc. and ask for a catalogue or specific dimensions, typically I.D. and csd (cross section) with tolerances and recommended grove dimensions.

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#8

Re: PTFE ring seals

06/09/2008 9:33 AM

Thank you all. You are trying to be helpful.

However, I'm not interested in an o-ring for this application and I've have carefully gone through information available from four (4) different o-ring manufacturers including Parker.

This application require a ring between the wall of a cylinder and a piston. This ring provides a particulate seal, much like a wiper. It is PTFE and is slightly oversized so that it is diametrically compressed against the cylinder wall and is slightly thicker than the diametral clearance so that it provides a compression seal against the piston. The questions are how much oversize should this Teflon be in both of these dimensions?

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Re: PTFE ring seals

06/09/2008 10:18 AM

www.hydraulic-supply.com has thirteen pages of seals. Try pages 1378 1391.

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Re: PTFE ring seals

11/12/2008 8:34 PM

FLUORINE PLASTICS BRANCH OFFICE OFFICE OF SHANGHAI FEILONG METERS&ELECTRONICS CO.,LTD. Is the special produce to the products of polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE).Our main PTFE products including: sheets, rods, tubes, gaskets, expanded dilatants unfiltered tapes, elasticity tapes, bricking, skived sheets and films and tapes, various fillers of PTFE and different special articles etc. Also we produce PTFE inner liner pipes, annular tubes, elbows, three or four joints, big or small tube heads and tube-shaped articles. According to the customers' requirements, various different special products can be manufactured.

Since the various types of our products, the reliable qualities, the fine services, we have won the prestige from traveling merchants home and abroad. In the future, we are going to be in the market with the new varieties, the finest qualities and the cordial service and to establish ourselves in the vast trade families.

PTFE rod

Features:

There are two kinds of PTFE rods to offer. One is manufactured by paste extruding method in the diameter from 4 to 9mm and the other is made by ram extruding method is the diameter from 10 to 50mm; rods over the diameter 50mmare manufactured by molding .

PTFE is the most chemical-resistant of all known plastics. It does not age.

PTFE has a wide rang of practicable temperature from -180℃~+260℃ and a wax-like surface to which anything hardly sticks.

PTFE has the lowest coefficient of friction of all known solid materials. It has the best electrical properties of all plastics.

PTFE Tubing

Features:

PTFE tubing is manufactured by ram extruding method with PTFE granular resin.

PTFE is the most chemical-resistant of all known plastics. It has the best electrical properties of plastics.

PTFE gasket

Features:

PTFE gasket is manufactured by molding method with PTFE granular resin.

PTFE compared with other plastics has a superior property against chemicals and temperature. Because of such excellent properties, PTFE has a wide application as a sealing material.

Company info and Contact person are as below:

Contact person: Yucheng Wang

Job title: maneger

Company name: SHANGHAI FEILONG METERS&ELECTRONICS CO.,LTD.

Address: Heng'an Building Room 806 West Qufu RD268#

City: Shanghai

State/Province: Zhabei

Country/Region: China

Tel: 86-021-63811027 86-021-63801621

Fax: 86-021-63801621

Mobile:86-13816377866

E-mail: feilong011@hotmail.com

URL:www.flyb.cn

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#10
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Re: PTFE ring seals

06/09/2008 9:24 PM

Oops! A split ring with PTFE coating would the last thing I'd expect you would be needing.

Could it be a Mechanical packing you seek?

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Re: PTFE ring seals

11/12/2008 8:36 PM

FLUORINE PLASTICS BRANCH OFFICE OFFICE OF SHANGHAI FEILONG METERS&ELECTRONICS CO.,LTD. Is the special produce to the products of polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE).Our main PTFE products including: sheets, rods, tubes, gaskets, expanded dilatants unfiltered tapes, elasticity tapes, bricking, skived sheets and films and tapes, various fillers of PTFE and different special articles etc. Also we produce PTFE inner liner pipes, annular tubes, elbows, three or four joints, big or small tube heads and tube-shaped articles. According to the customers' requirements, various different special products can be manufactured.

Since the various types of our products, the reliable qualities, the fine services, we have won the prestige from traveling merchants home and abroad. In the future, we are going to be in the market with the new varieties, the finest qualities and the cordial service and to establish ourselves in the vast trade families.

PTFE rod

Features:

There are two kinds of PTFE rods to offer. One is manufactured by paste extruding method in the diameter from 4 to 9mm and the other is made by ram extruding method is the diameter from 10 to 50mm; rods over the diameter 50mmare manufactured by molding .

PTFE is the most chemical-resistant of all known plastics. It does not age.

PTFE has a wide rang of practicable temperature from -180℃~+260℃ and a wax-like surface to which anything hardly sticks.

PTFE has the lowest coefficient of friction of all known solid materials. It has the best electrical properties of all plastics.

PTFE Tubing

Features:

PTFE tubing is manufactured by ram extruding method with PTFE granular resin.

PTFE is the most chemical-resistant of all known plastics. It has the best electrical properties of plastics.

PTFE gasket

Features:

PTFE gasket is manufactured by molding method with PTFE granular resin.

PTFE compared with other plastics has a superior property against chemicals and temperature. Because of such excellent properties, PTFE has a wide application as a sealing material.

Company info and Contact person are as below:

Contact person: Yucheng Wang

Job title: maneger

Company name: SHANGHAI FEILONG METERS&ELECTRONICS CO.,LTD.

Address: Heng'an Building Room 806 West Qufu RD268#

City: Shanghai

State/Province: Zhabei

Country/Region: China

Tel: 86-021-63811027 86-021-63801621

Fax: 86-021-63801621

Mobile:86-13816377866

E-mail: feilong011@hotmail.com

URL:www.flyb.cn

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#11

Re: PTFE ring seals

06/10/2008 9:14 AM

I'll look at hydraulic-supply.

Have not thought in terms of a split ring and will use one only as a last resort.

Thanks

Doug

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