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Protective cabin for the manipulation of toxic materials

07/25/2008 10:11 AM

We are looking for a manufacturer to provide us with a custom cabin for use in carving and polishing the toxic stone malachite. This cabin would need an antechamber, constant aspiration, an air exchange system connected to a reverse pressure hood, a shower, a collection bin for toxic dust and another for contaminated water. The cabin would likely be in manufacture for working with asbestos, lead, heavy metals etc... The dust is heavier than paint so the aspiration system would need to be a strong one.

We have no idea if such a system is currently in production or if this would need to be custom built.

I do hope that there is a solution out there.

Keara McMartin

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07/25/2008 10:22 AM

Couldn't you do it with an off-the-shelf glove-box?

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07/25/2008 10:41 AM

The cabin is to protect an artisan in the production of a mid sized sculpture composed of 40 sections of stone, the dust of which is extremely toxic and damaging due to it's cumulative effects in the liver.

Your comment isn't exactly what I was hoping for.

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07/25/2008 11:05 AM

Well, I'm sooo sorry - but if you'd been more specific in asking your question, I would not have had to waste my time answering.

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07/25/2008 11:08 PM

You still haven't told us what the size & weight of the pieces are?

Did you try to search for systems for lead, uranium?

what is the budget?

JohnDG was trying to point you in the right direction!

You are not making a good 1st impression.

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07/26/2008 4:27 AM

The size of each sculpture is that of a human head and section of neck (H. 450 mm x 400 x 280) produced in about 20 sections of small pieces. The pieces vary in size and weight with an average of about 150 mm x 90 x 60 weighing approximately 8 Kg each in a rough state before carving. Each section must be finished (honed), drilled for pinniing, pinned together and then polished as a whole.

I had thought that about Euro 20,000 would be our max budget.

I have searched the net for producers of booths and cabins and have come up with nothing that comes even close to our needs.

I will try a search for protective cabins for working with lead and uranium. Thank you for your suggestion.

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07/26/2008 7:41 PM

Take a look at this:

http://www.downdraft.com/DowndraftBooths/DowndraftBooths.htm

The sections you are making are fairly small, controlling the dust & air flow should do it. The polishing is going to be the biggest problem.

you can also take a look for clean rooms [medical]

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07/27/2008 4:53 AM

This was a huge help. Combining a down draft table and booth with a shower and clean room should work. The polishing is easier to find a solution for. Because of the water less protection is needed. We need only collect and filter the run off to dispose of it as hazerdous material.

thank you so much for your help.

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07/27/2008 11:26 AM

There are also various fume/particulate collectors for welding or painting that would be possible solutions, not being stainless steel, more affordable.

I understand the level of detail involved precludes thick gloves.

Please post some pics of the finished pieces to brighten our days.

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08/14/2008 6:46 AM

I am now looking into the welding boxes as this seems to be the most economical but also the most adaptable to what we need.

Thanks for your suggestions.

I will indeed post a link to the photos of the first piece we make with malachite for all the CR4 folks to see.

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08/14/2008 9:34 AM

FYI, the welding box and the sandblasting box are both forms of glovebox (ref. my #1).

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07/26/2008 9:34 AM

Would it be possible to modify a sandblasting cabinet to meet your needs?

I have seen ones in use that look like they might be about the right size for your needs. I'm not sure if the gloves would provide enough feel for a stone carver.

Just an idea that would keep the worker away from the dust by placing the rock in the chamber and the worker outside of it.

Good luck!

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07/27/2008 4:55 AM

the worker has to be very close to the small sections to fit them together so I don't think a sandblasting chamber would work. Thanks for your help.

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08/09/2008 4:02 PM

This style of sandblasting cabinet should allow close work on your stone, while containing the dust. The cabinet is connected to an industrial dust collector. Is the carving done with powered grinders or human power?

Ta DA. My first picture.

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08/14/2008 6:51 AM

The carving will be mostly small die grinders and drills. I am hoping to have the small pieces cut by machine in closed booths so I will be left with finishing.Maybe this would work, but daylight is critical to see the shapes and fit them well and then the space to have enough room to assemble an entire life size head with extending sections of rope like hair (rasta).

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08/14/2008 7:06 AM

The raised portion on the top is a fluorescent lamp to light the inside. I used to turn the lights in the room off when using mine.

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