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Battery operated LED light

08/07/2008 9:24 AM

Hi CR4ites,

Let me first inform you all I do not have much knowledge of electrical and electronics, except for whatever little bit of basic knowledge gained in one semester about 25 years ago.

Now coming to the problem, I have a 12V, 7 Ah battery with me; so thought of trying to use it for LED lighting, which I am quite fascinated with. I intend to use total 60 Hi-bright white LEDs of 20 mA connected in 10 parallel rows with 6 in series in row. I think I would require total 200 mA and 12 V supply for this light. Please correct me if I am wrong. If ok, I would appreciate if you can help me in designing a simple 200 mA constant current circuit for LEDs and a battery charging circuit or guide me to some web-link, which I have not been able to locate.

Thanks in advance....

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Re: Battery operated LED light

08/07/2008 9:44 AM

Sorry, won't work - Most LEDs require 5 VDC to light. (Some 3 volts.) To put 6 in series for each branch you would a need minimum of 30 VDC.

Assuming you have a minimum 30 VDC power supply, you have to look at the specs of the LED to see the forward resistance. Multiply by 6 then calculate the right size of resistor to limit the current to 20 ma. This resistor must be in series with the LEDs and will drop some voltage.

For 12 V supply, it's best if you put the branches with only 2 LEDs each.

Check here for ideas.

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Re: Battery operated LED light

08/07/2008 10:52 AM

Have a look through this thread.

BTW - I think you'll find most single-chip white LED's have Vf ≈ 3.5V. Blues are highest, at 3.5 - 5V, while reds have Vf ≈ 2V.

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Re: Battery operated LED light

08/08/2008 12:21 AM

I think you'll find that if you string together 4 LEDs in series hooked up to a 12v supply you'll be doing OK. If they aren't bright enough, try groups of 3, then use a 10-turn pot to fine tune the current, or, use a 3 terminal positive voltage regulator, hooked up as a current regulator - all you need is 1 resistor or pot from the ADJ terminal to the OUT term, power goes to the IN term. Look at this PDF, page 9...

http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/nationalsemiconductor/DS009063.PDF

very stable and reliable current regulation with 2 cheap parts.

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08/08/2008 12:23 AM

if you want to spend a little more, but have a lot better set-up, check these babies out...

http://www.fairchildsemi.com/whats_new/led_drivers_fan5607.html

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08/08/2008 1:16 AM

PLEASE READ THIS!!!!

YES I'M SHOUTING!!!

Even with one of those LEDs at full current DO NOT under any circumstance look directly at the LED while it is illuminated! (Or even in a mirror)

We manufacture lamps with 20mA and 50mA LEDs. Any observation work is to use smoked glass and sunglasses for operator protection. We prefere to use video camera so that intensity is not "blinding".

Sorry to be so blunt, but I'd hate you to be so blind that you don't get the benefit of the light!

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08/08/2008 2:02 AM

Really? They're actually hazardous to look at directly? Wow, didn't think LEDs had gotten that intense!

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08/08/2008 12:20 PM

Are you warning about regular light emmitting diodes or LASER diodes?

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Re: Battery operated LED light

08/08/2008 3:07 AM

Try this site, led.linear1.org/led.wiz. It is a tool to calculate an l.e.d. array, including resistor values and the serial and or parallel circuits that work best given the information provided. Really quite handy. Hope this helps!

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08/08/2008 7:18 AM

Thanks to all for your comments and useful info. So, my calculations were all wrong. I will need some time for sifting through all the useful information given by you all. Right now, I am looking for -

1) A simple circuit which can work with may be even 15/20 bright 5 dia 20mA LEDs which I guess should be able to give me enough light, may be about 50 cd. I wish to see my own handmade LED light glowing soon. I will think of improving the circuit design subsequently to ensure that the battery does not get drained fast.

2) White LEDs of say 1000 to 2000 mcd which are of good quality and cheaper. I do not think these can be harmful to eyes. I checked and found out NICHIA has some LEDs with as much as 20000 to 30000 cd each, but I guess they will be quite expnesive. My worry is quality consistency for designing the circuit.

3) A simple circuit for recharging the battery at approx. 14V

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08/08/2008 5:46 PM

H E,

1) A CREE 80 Lumen LED which has a runtime of 1.5hrs from a single AA cell is not a fast drain rate.

2) As the man said-DON'T look directly at it.

3) Your local battery supply store or electronics store will have chargers/or self assembly kits. You will have to decide if you really want a simple transformer powered unit or one of the modern pulse width ones. Ask them.

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08/08/2008 9:23 AM

HE,

I've read all the other replies and they do make sense, however, I use leds every day and the ones I use are required to be in series with a 100k resistor so that they don't fry on a 12v supply. No, they don't come with a circuit. Just the diode.

All sorts of colours, but I use red and white mostly.

Made in China.

Depends on what you want to use them for. Instrumentation? General illumination?

How many lumens?

I've also gone to the other end of the spectrum. Cree circuit driven diode will give 80 lumens/m from a 1.5v cell. Massive.

Need more information to be of real help to you.

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Re: Battery operated LED light

08/09/2008 2:23 AM

Thanks once again to all of you for comments and suggestions

Since I am a layman as far as electronic circuitry is concerned, frankly, I have not been able to understand most of your suggestions.

I guess you all have either over estimated by knowledge on electronics or you want me to work on it on my own. I was looking for a simple LED lighting circuit which now I will do it myself.

Again, all your suggestions will certainly come in handy for me. Thanks.

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08/09/2008 3:12 AM

Bud,

Dissappointed that you got nothing out of your thread.

However it must be now apparent that you need to answer some of our questions so that we may fully understand 'where you're at'.

Please reply. Just tell us the answers where there are question marks.

For instance, we don't know if you even have a neighbourhood electronics store. Where are you located?

For my part, I'd like to help. I know all of the other guys share the same ambition.

I'm sure that there is no feeling in the community that you are required to go it alone, it's just that when you're talking to engineering types like most of us we often make the mistake that you know something of rudimentary science. I'm sorry !

There are a whole bunch of options you have in this arena and you need to tell us what components you have and where you'd like to go with them.

We don't have the time to teach you all you really need to know in the realm of electronics ( I've been at it for 65yrs and still don't know enough), so sometimes you may be better advised to access specific knowledge from other sources. Don't be insulted. Take the advice in the kind spirit in which it offered.

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Stu.

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08/11/2008 3:17 AM

Hi Stu,

No disappointment and absolutely no hard feelings.

Unfortunately, right now I can not give you much information because I do not have anything other than a battery with me.

I am a mechanical engineer, still working and interested in learning new things. As soon as I get some spare time, may be within a week, first I will go for shopping for suitable LEDs. Yesterday, one of my friends, an electronics engineer has agreed to help in designing suitable circuit to match the LEDs and my battery.

I will try to understand the circuit and will work on it improve it. My intention is to get best possible illumination with the locally and readily available LEDs at low cost. If I find it economical, I will use LEDs for lighting at home with AC supply or may be solar panels. On surfing the net I found the ones available are quite expensive compared to the price of incandescent lights and CFLs for the same illumination. I guess the manufacturing cost is actually not very high, but the profit is.

So, right now I am only at initial stage, it will take me some time, but I will certainly get back to you all if I encounter any problems.

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08/11/2008 6:19 AM

Thanks Ess,

I know about 'the fun of the chase', but sometimes it's just better time management and economic sense to just go and buy the stuff.

We have it readily available here, which makes it easy. Right down to the MR61 converters for the dichroic DC halogens. Electronics stores carry the components, including the LED's

You still didn't tell where you are.

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08/10/2008 10:02 AM

If you can borrow a simple variable voltage power supply and you have a meter for current measurement you should be able to string your LEDS together however you like and feed them power note your readings and there you are.

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08/11/2008 2:27 PM

You can get a long way in analogue electronics with the spec. of the device and Ohms law (V = IR)

Go to this German company for a kit of 50 LEDs and resistors suitable for direct connection to a 12 V supply (one resistor one LED).

http://www.dotlight.de/shop/product_info.php/cat/0/info/p365_50-white-LEDs---50-Resistors.html

If you buy the same LEDs from them even up to 1000 off quantities they're more expensive! (Can't work out why.)

http://www.dotlight.de/shop/product_info.php/cat/812/info/p881_Ultrabright-white-LED-5mm--14000mcd--20-.html

Post and packing is also very reasonable.

You want this circuit:-

The critical part of the spec. for these LEDs is:

14 Candela
Forward Voltage: 3.2V
LED Current (If): 20mA

So with 3 in series you will be using up 9.6V of the 12V. And, that leaves 2.4V across the resistor. So, you can use Ohms law to work out that the resistor needs to be 120Ω.

Clearly you need to repeat the resistor three LED circuit as many times as you want to in parallel.

How many Candela were the LEDs you were going to use?

You could probably save yourself a trip or an additional purchase with associated post and packing by using three of the 430Ω resistors in parallel. This would give you 143Ω, and, about 17 mA which would probably still be brighter than most super bright (20 mA) LEDs on the market.

By the way: YES these LEDs can easily damage your eyes if you look straight at them.

For a first attempt this should be OK. The problem is that the forward voltage is not exactly 3.2V and varies a little from diode to diode so you could fine tune your circuit by say measuring the voltage across the three diodes then adding one more resistor in parallel with the 143Ω to get the current (and consequently the brightness) the same (and closer to 20 mA) in all the legs.

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08/12/2008 2:12 AM

Hi Randall,

Bullseye!! Your reply is excellent and precisely what I wanted. I have given you a GAR. I wish I could give you a higher rating.

I could easily understand your explanation. The info on German Company will also be helpful to start with. I will procure LEDs from them soon. Thanks a lot.

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