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Gear Reduction

09/12/2008 10:45 AM

I have a problem that I hope someone can clear up. Recently, while refurbishing a large machinery space we upgraded all of the engines controls including digital tachometers.

At first no problem, but then we found that the engines flywheel had to many teeth for the tachometers programmable selection.

I moved the magnetic pickup to the front of the engine (accessory gear train) where there are smaller gears and figured it would be a cut and dry fix to the problem.

A new problem came up when we could not put the Mag. pick up directly on the Crank Shaft drive gear, instead we are picking up our signal from a driven gear that is more accessible.

The Crank Shaft gear 113 teeth is driving an oil pump gear 80 teeth. At first I had planned to set up the tachometer to read as if it were sensing 113 teeth because that is the number on the shaft gear. Other people here feel that we should set up to read 80 teeth. In my mind obviously wrong becouse we would then be simply measuring the speed of the pump and not the engine. But will the idea of simply setting up to read 113 be the solution or am I missing something?

Your help and criticism will be appreciated.

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Re: Gear Reduction

09/12/2008 11:05 AM

You're not missing anything. Both gears (obviously) have the same pitch and therefore the same surface velocity. By "looping" your tooth count on the smaller gear, you are accounting for the reduction and indirectly, but accurately, measuring the RPM of the larger gear. Nice solution. Document your reasoning and include it with the paperwork on the tach so the "next guy" can figure out what was done and why.

If the Neanderthals you work with still don't trust your method, and you are unable to convince them with some simple math and diagrams (sometimes it's more prudent to bend in the face of pig-headedness than to swim against the current, especially if it's the boss), an alternative may be to build a tone wheel with fewer teeth and attach it to the flywheel or some other accessible location. Good luck!

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Re: Gear Reduction

09/12/2008 11:11 AM

Thanks for your help. It was the right solution in my mind but when you get enough Neanderthals looking at you like you've got a third eye or something, its time to at least ask for another opinion. Privately, without them catching wind of it....

Thanks again!

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09/12/2008 11:34 PM

You are exactly right. In one turn of the engine, 113 teeth will have to go by on any meshing gear no matter how big or small.

If forced, you could do the math for them. The pump turns 113/80 times as fast as the engine. Therefore, if you use 80 teeth to measure pump rpm, you would need to multiply that pump rpm figure by 80/113 to get back to engine rpm. Your way is simpler and smarter.

Probably best to be tactful. Otherwise, they'll want to go back to the flywheel, and will have you grind off every other tooth.

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09/13/2008 5:23 AM

There are 2 principles for digital speed measurements:

- number of pulses per time unit

- number of pulses from a time stable generator counted between two following each other pulses from the shaft one wants to know the speed.

Depending on the principle used at your place you are right or your counter part is right.

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