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Replacing a Servo Motor & Drive with AC Motor and Inverter.

09/29/2008 12:25 AM

Dear Friends,

We have a Corrugator Machine (110Meters long) in our plant for producing Corru-wall sheets which then convert into boxes through other Machines. This machine produces sheets with 5 paper reels. If the paper on one of any running reel is end, there is a SPLICER unit which splices the tail of running reel with next reel without any stoppage. Thus we have 5 Splicer units for 5 paper reels. These Splicers are the back bone of any Corrugator machine as if these are not correct functioning, operator have to stop the machine and manually joint the tail of ending reel with next reel which is caused by increasing the waste of paper.

We have two servo motors with servo motor drives in each Splicer which detail is as following;

Drive ABB
AC Servo Motor Drive, 12.4KVA, 19A, 400V, 3phase
Type Bivector 535 "18" Ser# 00128-04

Servo Motor ABB with Resolver
Type 8C543000V002SN3MB Ser# BS024019

3Phase AC PM Synchronous Servo motor
V = 347
Const Stall Torque = 30Nm 17.8Arms
Peak Stall Torque = 105Nm 69.3Arms
Speed = 300RPM.

ABB has stopped the production of above servo motor drive for a long time. These drives frequently malfunction and I want to replace them.

During normal operation, only one motor for "Dancer Roll 2U1" works and controls the tension of web. The second motor (2U2) is coupled with "Reel Launch Roller" through timing belts, works only during Splice sequence. During normal operation, paper, passes on this roller, rotates it (and the rotor of motor too) with its speed and PLC calculates the speed of web through an Encoder coupled with this roller. First, I want to change this motor with simple AC motor and Inverter. The operation of this motor during splice sequence is as following;

When the paper on running reel over and operator pushes "Splice" button, PLC immediately stops the motor 2U2 (through its drive) and after completion of "Splice" sequence (1.5sec), PLC sends the 0-10V signal to the drive of 2U2 and it rapidly accelerates exactly at the speed where it stopped. With the stopping and rapidly accelerating Reel Launch Roller, system calculates the 0-10V signal for an E/P regulator which sends 0-5bars to the brake cylinders of paper reel for a positive splice without breaking the paper or paper joint.


My questions are


1) Is it possible to replace this servo motor and drive with AC motor and Inverter?
2) What should be the KW of motor?
3) Would AC motor stall the rotating Reel Launch Roller (with Dynamic Braking) immediately if it is running at high speed?
4) Would AC motor rapidly accelerate the roller?

Under above mentioned conditions, kindly help me so that I would be able to start my working with a positive direction.

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Re: Replacing a Servo Motor & Drive with AC Motor and Inverter.

09/29/2008 1:53 AM

I can not give you a suggestion about your problem, but i can give you a little information about inverter and ac motor.

Even an inverter have brake system usually use a low resistance / big watts, ac motor can not stop so immediately as servo motor.

At servo motor even it's stop condition, the voltage still stand by at the motor so a servo motor always ready to accelerate any time even extremely to high rpm but ac motor with inverter can't accelerate to high rpm immediately, it must start at 0 rpm and step by step run to high rpm.

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Re: Replacing a Servo Motor & Drive with AC Motor and Inverter.

09/30/2008 2:23 AM

Signode,

1. It is very much possible to change over to AC motor and inverter.

2. I presume a 11 or 15kW motor should do the job very well.

3. Yes! you can program dynamic braking to suit your need.

4. For rapidly increasing the speed, you may have to include an accumulator that will come in to operation during change overs and will take care of any mismatch in the speeds during the period.

Your PLC programming will have to be modified and you may have to increase the I/Os.

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Re: Replacing a Servo Motor & Drive with AC Motor and Inverter.

09/30/2008 10:22 AM

Be careful! The dynamics of an AC drive and a servo drive are very different. If your application requires position control tracking another movement, you might be very disappointed by the drives' results unless everything is slow and smooth.

Servomotors are like a Ferrari while the AC drive is like a pickup truck. They both drive the same in a school zone but not on the highway. Even if you boost the truck, it will never handle like a Ferrari at high speed.

But if everything is slow with smooth accelerations, the drive might do the trick. The question is; Is it worth the risk to try it?

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Re: Replacing a Servo Motor & Drive with AC Motor and Inverter.

10/01/2008 9:31 AM

Have you looked into a new servo drive and motor? I recently replaced one of my ABB sevros with a Danaher Motion setup. I got drive, motor and cables for about $2500.00 USD and it was basically a drop in unit. I had to do some minor rewiring and that was about it. Brand new servo and machine runs like a dream.

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Re: Replacing a Servo Motor & Drive with AC Motor and Inverter.

10/03/2008 11:07 PM

Dear Friends

Thanks for replying.

I thought about to replace ABB with Danaher Motion Servo drives but at this stage of our new project, we don't have more budget. So I looking for a cheaper solution as i said earlier, we have five Splicers.

The application is simple; the running roller stops immediately during splice sequence and rapidly accelerates at the speed where it stopped.

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