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Help required with Reynolds number calculation

10/06/2008 6:09 AM

Would appreciate some help from the mathematicians among you, as I am unable to resolve what should be a fairly simple calculation.

I need to find the Reynolds number to evaluate the flow condition of a subsea fluid we are using to flush some installed tubing.

The parameters I have are as follows:

Flow rate (from pump) = 4.6 imp gpm (21 l/m)

Tube inside Dia. = 0.5"

Length of tube run = 68 ft

Viscosity = 4.1 cst (@ 20Deg C) which is close to operating temperature

Relative Density = 1.07

The formula I am (trying) to use is: P vD/uV

Where P = Density: v = velocity: D = bore Dia (or length of run?)

/uV = Kinematic Viscosity

The result I have does not equate to what I would expect and am having problems converting Kinematic Viscosity to Dynamic Viscosity.

Help Please!

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Re: Help required with Reynolds number calculation

10/06/2008 11:25 AM

Because, the Reynold's number is dimensionless, you cannot mix and match units. I calculate a velocity in your pipe of 9.1 fps.

Since Darcy-Weisbach and Colebrook relationships are based upon using a Reynold's number which varies inversely with the kinematic viscosity and which is obtained by dividing the dynamic (absolute) viscosity by the mass density, it is the usual practice to use units of kinematic viscosity which have the dimensions of :

(length square)/time

The unit of kinematic viscosity in English measure is the square foot per second. The unit of kinematic viscosity in metric measure is the square centimeter per second called the stoke. It is usually more convenient to express numerical values in centistokes such that 100 centistokes equals one stoke.

When English system units are used in converting from dynamic to kinematic viscosity the density, w/g (or mass density) rather than the specific gravity must be used were w is the weight in lb/ft3 and g is the acceleration due to gravity (32.174 ft/sec2)

When metric system terms centipoise and centistokes are used the density is numerically equal to the specific gravity.

I suspect you have run into this very common gotcha and that this is the reason that weird solutions are being rendered.

eriew

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Re: Help required with Reynolds number calculation

10/06/2008 12:30 PM

We use to practice the Re formula for air flow measurements that is

Re= ( Hydraulic dia x Velocity x Density)/ 60 Viscosity

Units are

Diameter in Feet = 0.41666 ft

Velocity fpm 45.5 cfm = 343 ft/m

Density Lb/ft Cube = 67 lbs/ft cube

Viscosity Ft square/sec = 0.000 044 1

In my calculations Reynold's number is 3618248. Please verify.

Is this the what you are using too?

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Re: Help required with Reynolds number calculation

10/06/2008 1:12 PM

Sorry HydroScot there was an error in units and values so here are fresh calculations.

Diameter in Feet = 0.41666 ft

Velocity fpm 45.5 cfm = 343 ft/m

Density lb/ft Cube = 67 lbs/ft cube

Viscosity lb/Ft-sec = 0.00294806 lb/ft-sec

Reynold's number is 54126 Please verify.

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10/07/2008 1:45 AM
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Re: Help required with Reynolds number calculation

10/07/2008 8:41 AM

Equation looks good, it has to be something in the units conversion.

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Re: Help required with Reynolds number calculation

10/08/2008 4:42 AM

Hi all - rakesh, quest and betomachine. Please excuse the late response but I was away from my work yesterday. Many thanks for your input to date.

The problem seems to be in the interpretation of the formula, particularly the L dimension. In most formula this is stated as the length of pipe run OR the inside diameter of the tube. Applying both gives quite different answers as follows:

1. Re = 1080 (density in kg/m3) x 9.1 (velocity in M/sec) x 20.9 (Meters, length of pipe run) / 4.1 (viscocity in Cst) = 50,098

2. Alternatively using the L = bore dia (12 mm) = 0.012M = 1080 x 9.1 x .012 / 4.1 = 28.76.

I am not convinced that using the pipe run length is correct, but presuming that the inclusion of the pipe bore is, then the number is ridiculously low. Applying the similar numbers to smaller bore pipe makes the number even lower.

Where am I going wrong?

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Re: Help required with Reynolds number calculation

10/08/2008 7:05 AM

Hello HydroScot

Your formula is slightly wrong.

Should be Re = v*D/uV (same as P*v*D/μ where μ = dynamic viscosity, as uV = μ/P)

I make it Re = 8523 (or rather Mathcad does, it automatically takes care of units)

Note P is density, not relative density. Length of pipe doesn't come into it. As other posters have said, Re is dimensionless so any system of units can be used, but they have to be consistent.

Cheers.....Codey

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Re: Help required with Reynolds number calculation

10/08/2008 9:16 AM

Hi codey,

Thanks for the response. I did try a different formula, specifically for pipes: Re = 7745.8 u dh/v and converted metric units to enable the use of Cst. My calculation came out at 8598, so seems to work as it is close to your own (which I will try now!)

Thanks again to you and all the subscribers.

Scot

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